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    Hamilton Police bike check

    Safety first .. good to see (Waikato Times 21/5/9)
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    Good work boys (& girls)
    We need more of this sort of constructive policing rather than the mindless revenue collecting we've previously been experiencing. Education is the key.

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    Since when has what people wear on motorcycles, apart from a securely fitting helmet, any legitimate interest of the constabulary?
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    Great to see.. especially recommending wearing good gear. I'm constantly amazed by the number of people I see riding scooters/bikes in shorts and t-shirt... I can almost see their skin scraping off right before my eyes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher View Post
    Since when has what people wear on motorcycles, apart from a securely fitting helmet, any legitimate interest of the constabulary?
    You're right, it's none of their fucking business, but they are just making their point, and basically we agree with them. No harm done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher View Post
    Since when has what people wear on motorcycles, apart from a securely fitting helmet, any legitimate interest of the constabulary?
    Agreed that it's not a legitimate legal requirement (perish the thought!) but I think it's not a bad thing that they are at least pointing out to these kids the likely outcome of a crash with their scanty attire. I'm sure you have witnessed some of these school kids scary riding antics dressed only in a school uniform. Some (most) of them probably haven't even given crashing a thought, seeing as how we all tend to think we're indestructable when we're young.
    At least they can then make an informed decision as to riding attire. I would strongly oppose any regulations requiring people to wear such gear though, as I'm sure you would judging by your previous posts on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DangerousBastard View Post
    You're right, it's none of their fucking business, but they are just making their point, and basically we agree with them. No harm done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patch View Post
    It is when they are likely to be the ones scrapping you up off the road
    It's the Police's job to maintain the Queen's peace and enforce New Zealand's laws.

    Apart from wearing a securely fitting helmet, there are no laws or even official good practice guidelines for motorcycle apparel.

    Police should not be an ATGATT enforcement authority when there is no legal imperitive for them to act. When it comes to road safety, the most significant area of risk to teenagers is alcohol and cars, and there are laws that relate to the combination of those three elements.

    And why should they be picking on school kids when there is a bunch of city motorcycle/scroter communters who should be receiving the same "message'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher View Post
    It's the Police's job to maintain the Queen's peace and enforce New Zealand's laws.
    Again you are right, but there is more than one approach that can be taken to achieve that.

    It is fine for you and I to (rightfully) take umbrage at being unlawfully detained by the police, and if I were riding in your group I would back you fully, but these are our kids and the fuzz hasn't really upset them yet and there is no sense of anger towards them, so lets just get what good we can from the cops. For now.

    I think the cops are doing the right thing. They are achieving results that you and I could not, or at least adding to our efforts.

    Find a battle that actually alienates you, and try to win that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher View Post
    It's the Police's job to maintain the Queen's peace and enforce New Zealand's laws.

    Apart from wearing a securely fitting helmet, there are no laws or even official good practice guidelines for motorcycle apparel.

    Police should not be an ATGATT enforcement authority when there is no legal imperitive for them to act. When it comes to road safety, the most significant area of risk to teenagers is alcohol and cars, and there are laws that relate to the combination of those three elements.

    And why should they be picking on school kids when there is a bunch of city motorcycle/scroter communters who should be receiving the same "message'?
    All quite true. But there is nothing in law or common sense that says the police cannot offer helpful and constructive advice to people. This is really no different to those exercises that police do advising homeowners about what they can do to discourage burglars . I think they do similar "helpful advice" sessions for shopkeepers, too. Of course if one of the scootlers wants to say "Piss off copper, I ride the way I like", the cop can do little more than shrug his shoulders. Just a s if a cop says "You should consider cutting down those trees which might shelter a prowler", I may reply "The trees are gentle and Godly, I will leave them be". The advice is well meant, it is up to the recipient to decide whther or not to act on it. I think it a commendable initiative by the Police.
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    they need to do that here, specially scooters owned by high school students. i saw one this afternoon that had an indicator dangling by the wires somewhere near the license plate. pity they dont legally need a wof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunhuntin View Post
    they need to do that here, specially scooters owned by high school students. i saw one this afternoon that had an indicator dangling by the wires somewhere near the license plate. pity they dont legally need a wof.
    The owner is still legally required to keep them up to WOF standard though.

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    The police are doing the right thing, pointing out the dangers etc, but more so the comments already made that they can also check up on responsible use of these motor vehicles and the warrant of fitness etc. From my point of view most of the young folk need to understand that when they get behind the "wheel" they are actively participating in traffic and abiding by the road rules and learn how to survive. The scoot is probably a good thing to learn on. The dress code, they will learn...once they go down once and share their their experience and the message will spread...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitcher View Post
    It's the Police's job to maintain the Queen's peace and enforce New Zealand's laws.
    You're correct but it's also their job to enhance community and people's personal safety.

    I also have been led to believe by a traffic plod that ACC pay their wages these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scracha View Post
    I also have been led to believe by a traffic plod that ACC pay their wages these days.
    Fuck the ACC!

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