The failure of capitalism (again)

[idleidolidyll]

The failure of capitalism (again)

It’s happening again, capitalism is failing society. Capitalism and free trade, markets, exchanges…they’re all failing society for exactly the reasons they always fail it: they serve the minority, the greedy few.

We don't live in a country, countries have sovereignty. We live in just another commodity to be bought and sold by anyone from anywhere with the money to do so. And we are so damn small there are millions of people out there who can buy us with change left over.
Our businesses, our resources, our sovereignty; it’s all being sold to the very people who manipulate the system to make it easier for themselves to buy the system ad infinitum.

Our farmers sell produce to the rich countries and expect us on lower wages in NZ to pay the same prices. Increasingly those ‘kiwi’ farmers are selling out and the ‘kiwi’ is fading. Like other developed nations our future is Monsanto and the other monopolies, the users without honest social consciences.
Those same companies don’t really want us to be able to afford our food, they need low wages to feed the rich elsewhere.

I ask you, what use is a food export market when your own countrymen can’t afford what you grow? What use is such business to the society it operates in? Dumb shit indeed.

Traders are forcing fuel prices up and at the same time; fleecing the planet of wealth. They’re driving our costs up while multi national and even local companies are driving our wages down on the open market. We compete with foreigners for the scraps off the table.

‘Free trade’ is closer to cheap slavery than social benefit. It allows the greedy rich to buy our arses at a time when we don’t have the power to fight back. Free trade is an abrogation of social responsibility in our nation. Gestures disguised as charity don’t cut it. When they’re driving income down and buying property, resources and control; the charity is a cheap price to pay for 4 million servants.

Markets and exchanges ensure the rich get the best of everything. The kicker is they also manipulate the currency markets to make it easier for themselves to afford the commodities and resources. Sometimes surreptitiously as here where they’re just buying our entire economy, and to places like Iraq where the Yanks actually had the arrogance to draft laws in a foreign sovereign nation donating that economy to foreign corporations in perpetuity!

Capitalism is failing society, not just here but everywhere. Labour, the centrist party, won’t make it better. National, the right wingers will make it worse.

Bend over people, put your head between your legs and kiss your arse goodbye, you’ll soon be property if you’re not already.

[Ixion]

Oh, you are SO going to get infracted.

[98tls]

Maybe they thought we couldnt care less what became of "kiwidom" after watching us give it away for the last 20 years or so.

[idleidolidyll]

Oh, you are SO going to get infracted.

infracted by capitalism; like i've ever given a shit

[Headbanger]

No great revelation there, Small guy gets kicked around by the big guy.Been that way since day one.

What do you suggest to do about it?

Take up arms?, Behead our heads of state?, Lock NZ away from the rest of the world and create some fantastical utopia?

Humans, being human, will always display human traits, You need to come to terms with it and find your own peace, rather then writing all that dribble. You have no insight.

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Boring (again).

[98tls]

No great revelation there, Small guy gets kicked around by the big guy.Been that way since day one.

What do you suggest to do about it?

Take uppers not downers.

[davereid]

Hmm... capitalisim and free trade are not the same, although they are first cousins.

I checked everywhere. Even in my undies.

Everywhere I checked, the concept of willing buyer, willing seller was working just fine.

OK, the Socialists were using violence to take money off me so they could give it to their voters.

And the Socialists were taking $1 in direct taxes on my petrol.
And 12.5% GST, and 30% of any profits the people making the petrol, driving the trucks that delivered it, fixing the pumps that put it in my car made.

Actually, free trade appears to have in the last 100 years alone, doubled my life span. Given me personal transport. Given me effective medicine and a means to access it.

Capitalisim ? Well, thats about the control of money.
Its different to free trade.

Generally, capitalisim can't work unless free trade works.

But of course, a canny capitalist likes to control everything. Thats not good.

But its not common. As fortune would have it, we normaly reserve total control for the socialist.

[idleidolidyll]

Maybe they thought we couldnt care less what became of "kiwidom" after watching us give it away for the last 20 years or so.

and that's the trick: spin it so it looks like we wanted to give it away

they took it;
from douglas onward, the right wing rewrote society and fucked us over with it.

douglas was the biggest coup capitalism ever had here. a bloke who pretended socialism long enough to impose a heartless capitalism that kick started the rot. National amplified it with the ECA and the centrists don't have the balls to dump it.

[idleidolidyll]

Hmm... capitalisim and free trade are not the same, although they are first cousins.

who said they were the same? not me. I just recognise that one is the tool of the other.

I checked everywhere. Even in my undies.

shudder

Everywhere I checked, the concept of willing buyer, willing seller was working just fine.

you should try walking past your own door, how many 'willing' buyers cough up fuel or food prices? Fuck all. They're forced to pay because ethere's no choice.

willing seller, willing buyer; what a joke!

OK, the Socialists were using violence to take money off me so they could give it to their voters.

yawn, which socialists exactly? What violence?
The violence of starvation, monopoly and wage slavery...............oops! that a capitalist thing!

And the Socialists were taking $1 in direct taxes on my petrol.
And 12.5% GST, and 30% of any profits the people making the petrol, driving the trucks that delivered it, fixing the pumps that put it in my car made.

socialists? you still cling like a dag to propaganda even after the trough has been dragged to the horse.
National has stated it won't take away the taxes either, except the taxes on the weralthy of course.

Actually, free trade appears to have in the last 100 years alone, doubled my life span. Given me personal transport. Given me effective medicine and a means to access it.

rotflmfao! most of medicines real advances were made in state funded universities! capitalists merely profited from them.

Capitalisim ? Well, thats about the control of money.
Its different to free trade.

Generally, capitalisim can't work unless free trade works.

But of course, a canny capitalist likes to control everything. Thats not good.

it's spooky the way you regurgitate the propaganda

But its not common. As fortune would have it, we normaly reserve total control for the socialist.

indeed is is common; capitalism isn't about money, it's about power. the ultimate in capitalsim is fascism.

which nations wield maximum control again? ohh, that's right, the capitalsist do

you'd be funny if you weren't so tragically indoctrinated

[idleidolidyll]

You need to come to terms with it and find your own peace

no, that's called quitting

that's exactly what they program you to think

[Headbanger]

no, that's called quitting

that's exactly what they program you to think

Surely they would program me not to think?

Anyway, we get it, You feel everyone who has ever had any power in government, business or socially has orchestrated massive influence and forces in order to make your life miserable.

[Maki]

Yes, let's kick out capitalism. At best we will all be pulled down to an equal, miserable mediocre level. At worst there will be suffering on a scale seen under the heel of dictators such as Mao and Stalin.

If I make something, I don't care what in the hell it is I want to be free to sell it to whoever I want. NO ONE is more competent than me, the producer to decide who I sell to.

"Our farmers sell produce to the rich countries and expect us on lower wages in NZ to pay the same prices. Increasingly those ‘kiwi’ farmers are selling out and the ‘kiwi’ is fading. Like other developed nations our future is Monsanto and the other monopolies, the users without honest social consciences.
Those same companies don’t really want us to be able to afford our food, they need low wages to feed the rich elsewhere."

Where are all these "rich elsewhere"?

"I ask you, what use is a food export market when your own countrymen can’t afford what you grow? What use is such business to the society it operates in? Dumb shit indeed."

It's a food export market that makes money for the country. Nothing wrong with that.

"Traders are forcing fuel prices up and at the same time; fleecing the planet of wealth."

Nonsense. If you don't want to pay the price, don't buy it. I don't see any "traders" forcing you to buy anything.

"‘Free trade’ is closer to cheap slavery than social benefit. It allows the greedy rich to buy our arses at a time when we don’t have the power to fight back. Free trade is an abrogation of social responsibility in our nation. Gestures disguised as charity don’t cut it. When they’re driving income down and buying property, resources and control; the charity is a cheap price to pay for 4 million servants."

Most of the world is poorer than we are. Free trade is a great equalizer. You are saying that something that drives incomes down here, but helps people elsewhere in the world who struggle to feed, clothe and educate themselves is a bad thing? How self centered...

"Markets and exchanges ensure the rich get the best of everything. The kicker is they also manipulate the currency markets to make it easier for themselves to afford the commodities and resources. Sometimes surreptitiously as here where they’re just buying our entire economy, and to places like Iraq where the Yanks actually had the arrogance to draft laws in a foreign sovereign nation donating that economy to foreign corporations in perpetuity!"

That's NOT free trade.

"Bend over people, put your head between your legs and kiss your arse goodbye, you’ll soon be property if you’re not already."

Maybe it's time you took your own head out of your arse.

[imdying]

Don't know what you're bitching about... if what you're saying is true, then the wealth that they're gathering won't be of any use to them

[idleidolidyll]

Surely they would program me not to think?

Nah, that was then, this is now. It's easier to program to think badly than to not think at all.

Anyway, we get it, You feel everyone who has ever had any power in government, business or socially has orchestrated massive influence and forces in order to make your life miserable.

miserable? moi? har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har!

you're so far away from the truth i can't see you over the horizon