What is your solution to the gang violence of late?

[Mr Merde]

Bring back public humiliation

For this to be effective then the person being humiliated needs to be of high enough mental capacity to give a fuck about being humiliated. If they are so stupid that they have to walk around in their "hard" uniform, make all the copycat expletives, pretend to all that they are really from the hard parts of the USA, I dont think this form of mental punishment will work.

To be humiliated one must have some sort of standards that would be affected by the humiliation.

[Wolf]

send Sue Bradford around to give them all hugs.

Sorry, dude, either the Geneva or the Hague Convention specifically bans "cruel and unusual punishment" and Amnesty International would just plain not stand for that. Better to shoot them humanely than subject them to Bradford.

Actually, better to knecap them and emasculate them with a rusty knife than subject them to Bradford.

That's a damn good point! We could write it in smilies:

you missed

Life sentences (as in die in prison) for rape, child molestation, murder, aggravated assault, armed robbery and dealing in Class A drugs. Three strikes and you're out (life sentence again) for other serious crimes including drunk driving. Minimum age of incarceration: 9

Also: make it retroactive - all those who have been released from sentences for crimes that qualify for life imprisonment need to be rounded up and thrown back in prison. All judges who have ever paroled someone who then reoffended with a qualifying crime are to be deemed "accessories before the fact" and imprisonned for life.

Prisons should be stripped back to the bare necessities for existence - basic food, shelter and clothing and the prisoners have to work to pay thier rent/food bills and pay reparations to the families.

All judges described above get their assets sold and the proceeds given to the victims of their crime.

If their families think that's unfair they can either harden the fuck up and accept that their [fa|mo]ther/spouse was a criminal sympathiser and responsible for the rape/assault/death of another human or they can get all pissy and "poor me" about it, retaliate against the "system" and join their parent/spouse in prison.

Fuck 'em. We have laws against crime. Lets use 'em.

All those gang members who manage to stay out of prison are quite welcome to stay.

As to taggers and other street hoods, spray paint the little fuckers. Any of them who assaults someone who's rightfully pissed off at having their property tagged can join the big boys in prison.

[Wolf]

If they are so stupid that they have to walk around in their "hard" uniform, make all the copycat expletives, pretend to all that they are really from the hard parts of the USA, I dont think this form of mental punishment will work.

If thats the case, then simply ship them to said hard part of the USA (and include a stamped, return-addressed, body bag - just in case their parents actually want the little retards back)

[Conquiztador]

Solving the "gang" problem is very simple.

Bring back the death penalty.
Introduce russian/chinese style gulag labour camps to replace prisons.
Legalise self defense with lethal force by passing strong castle laws.
Pass a "3 strikes your out" law for all repeat serious offenders. Fool us once, shame on you, fool us twice, shame on us, fool us thrice get a bullet in the head.

To me that sounds wery much like what is in place in USA. And it has been proven to be a failure.

[Dave Lobster]

I would just like to point out that, according to online goverment references, our entire military forces total approximately 8000 persons. Thats army, navy and airforce.

What can they do?

You'll find soldiers are far more motivated..

[Sanx]

Why is shoot them not allowed? Not gang members in general, but anyone caught of cold blooded murder, shoot them! If the punishment is severe enough for a crime that is calculated, it won't happen nearly as often.

You can't tell me that if the indian liquor store owner's killer knew that if he got caught he would be executed no questions asked, that he would have shot him in cold blood like that...

Great theory but having the ultimate deterent, as the death penalty is often referred to, doesn't ever equate to a decrease in violent crime. Take the States, for example. Boot camps or hard labour would be far more of a deterrent, if you ask me, coupled with the fact that if you find out that a mistake's been made along the way, you can release someone from a boot camp. It's quite hard to release someone from a grave.

[SixPackBack]

The government could stop this shite overnight by taking total control over drug manufacture and distribution effectively taking the gangs income away permanently.
Quasi's idea of not providing benefits without a drug test is a good one. Drug tests for ALL employment opportunities [lets call it an OSH initiative] is another cunning idea. Those individuals left not working or claiming benefits would require close scrutiny by the tax department.
Additionally I have wondered if 'engagement' of said members and associates would be helpful, this would be akin to changing attitudes from the inside rather than locking crims up when its to late.

A couple of ideas to ponder.......one things for sure we 'ain't winning the fight so change is needed, locking more people up or providing more police is simplistic, arrogant and bound to lead to further bloodshed as both sides escalate.

[Usarka]

Not providing benefits based on drug testing will lead to more crime.


Unless combined with another strategy such as spb's above.

[scumdog]

In all honestly...

There will always be gangs, even if you pass law to say no gangs... There is no single answer...

Yup, what he said.

As long as you have losers you'll have gang wannabes and recruits for the gangs..just look at the requitements to join a gang.

If everything you've experienced in life is negative you'll fit right in.

[Conquiztador]

Yup, what he said.

As long as you have losers you'll have gang wannabes and recruits for the gangs..just look at the requitements to join a gang.

If everything you've experienced in life is negative you'll fit right in.

As mentioned before: Lets focus on the ones that are not lost yet: The children.

- Smaller school classes so every child can get one on one tutoring and attention.

- Free activities for w/e and after schools that are fun and varied.

- Have leaders running programmes that the kids will look up to and want to be around.

- Don't push thing like religion or politics as part of it.

The ones who made it with a shitty start, they all had some experiences that changed their direction. But the ones of us who provided that change will never know that we did it. And often the one who we helped will not realise that we did it straight away. Might take years. But the main thing is that we made a difference in someones life. Changed someones direction.

And so, while the country tries to find a solution to this, there is already those of us that are working on it. Imagine if there was many more that did it. Might make a difference. Yes, there is money needed to do this. But in the long run it will be the much cheaper option. Prisons are expensive!

[_Shrek_]

I think that local resident in Invers has got it right let the buggers burn each other out, then let the cops go in & clean up or bring back national service min ten years

[SixPackBack]

I think that local resident in Invers has got it right let the buggers burn each other out, then let the cops go in & clean up or bring back national service min ten years

Our economy would collapse within 5

[Dave Lobster]

Wouldn't it be easier to outlaw gangs?

Then kill on sight anyone wearing gang insignia.

The economy would save a fortune in benefit payments too.

[Ixion]

What have you got against Ulysses ? That's someone's grandmother , y'know.

[awayatc]

All we are doing is mopping up.....where is te water coming from?
The society we created obviously needs tweaking....


Single parent breeding programs and this social benefit depency we created may have backfired on us.
Youngsters need a sense of selfworth, need to achieve and compete.....sports, apprenticeships, honest days work etc....

We have been selfish and greedy, and not invested much in the future and future generations....now we pay the price for that