Why the WRB campaign is going nowhere.

**Oscar** · 6th July 2008, 18:31

Originally Posted by Bonez

Some pretty sweeping statements there. Hell Katman would be proud.

You only need to read KB to realise lot of born agains usually have a transitional ride before getting something newer.
You see most folks have more common sence than you seem to give them credit for.

As for motorcycle licences being easier to get. Have you read the grumblings on KB about how long folk have to wait to get their full m/c licence?

Anyway what are you actually doing, other than blabbering on a public forum doing to help sort out these "issues".

The comment about blabbering on a public forum works both ways.

The fact is that I've done more 'n my far share over three decades through my Club, Rider Training and Racing activities.

As for the grumbling - so what? Firstly, I doubt that "KB Folk" are anywhere near typical, and secondly - just 'cause they whine, does it make 'em better riders? Any study of MC fatalities will show you that inexperience is a factor, as is rider overconfidence.

**98tls** · 6th July 2008, 18:34

Originally Posted by James Deuce

The huge number of people riding around on 1000cc + bikes is testament to that. IF people had any personal integrity they'd acknowledge the fact that they couldn't master a 400cc 4 let alone something that would be winning GPs/Superbike/TT races 15 years ago in stock form. I was hesitant about buying the Zed, but finding something comfortable and versatile in the 4-600cc market a couple of years ago was pretty flipping difficult.

Whilst i agree in part with what your saying the idea of loading up any 600 with gear and pillon and heading off on a trip does nothing for me.

**Oscar** · 6th July 2008, 18:37

Originally Posted by 98tls

Whilst i agree in part with what your saying the idea of loading up any 600 with gear and pillon and heading off on a trip does nothing for me.

DL650 V Strom

**FJRider** · 6th July 2008, 18:41

Originally Posted by Katman

And regarding my signature.........

It is a direct quote taken from a post by dipshit (don't remember where he got it from and I didn't have the room at the time to include credit to the originator) that I felt stated by belief of motorcycling perfectly and consicely.

I often agree with a statement made...no matter how big a dipshit they are

**98tls** · 6th July 2008, 18:41

Originally Posted by Oscar

DL650 V Strom

Great bike i am sure....i have only ridden the 1000.If on my own would be happy to on the 650 but am sure a pillon would make it annoying on a long trip.Mind you thats only my opinion.

**Bonez** · 6th July 2008, 18:47

Originally Posted by Oscar

The comment about blabbering on a public forum works both ways.

The fact is that I've done more 'n my far share over three decades through my Club, Rider Training and Racing activities.

As for the grumbling - so what? Firstly, I doubt that "KB Folk" are anywhere near typical, and secondly - just 'cause they whine, does it make 'em better riders? Any study of MC fatalities will show you that inexperience is a factor, as is rider overconfidence.

You don't need to be a rocket scientist to realise this has been the case since folk first started using motorcycles.

From what I've seen and a folk I've meet/riden with KB seems to represent quite a good cross section of riders.

Well done for helping follow m/cist. Every little bit helps.

**Katman** · 6th July 2008, 18:51

I don't necessarily suggest that size has anything to do with a persons ability to ride a particular bike. I ride a bike that 25 years ago was the bike to beat on the racetrack. I, however, choose to ride that bike in a way that I believe will allow me to easily enjoy it's rewards for the extent of my lifetime.

**FJRider** · 6th July 2008, 18:54

Originally Posted by Oscar

Any study of MC fatalities will show you that inexperience is a factor, as is rider overconfidence.

The biggest, most important "factor" in any accident is the rider.
Confidence levels are directly proportional to ignorance.

**James Deuce** · 6th July 2008, 19:00

Originally Posted by 98tls

Whilst i agree in part with what your saying the idea of loading up any 600 with gear and pillon and heading off on a trip does nothing for me.

Yeah, but I was talking about me and I don't do pillions (except on very rare occasions) so I don't factor that into my purchase decision at all. The gear isn't a problem because 99% of my riding is to and from work. In Summer I use a wee tail pack and in Winter I use the Ventura rack and an expandable Rally bag so I can carry all my wet & cold weather crap with me.

There are a lot of bikes that are just sex on wheels that would be fantastic to own, but factor in experience, capability, TCO, actual usage, and financial constraints and you end up at a very different place to an R1.

**Mom** · 6th July 2008, 19:26

Originally Posted by James Deuce

There are a lot of bikes that are just sex on wheels that would be fantastic to own, but factor in experience, capability, TCO, actual usage, and financial constraints and you end up at a very different place to an R1.

And that really sums it up. You can not lump all bikers into one pile. We all have different reasons for making the bike choice we do, be it financial/experience/pillion considerations/seat height in my case/or the size of penis that some need to prove to the masses. Most of us are indeed "sensible" there are always going to be the ones that aren't.

I personally have no problem telling someone straight to their face what I think about their riding. Sometimes it is a bit of advice, using my experience. Sometimes it is a serve for totally unacceptable and out of order riding. Trust me, if I see it I will say something.

I dont have a problem standing up to try to improve the safety of our roads. I detest people that sit back, moan like anything about image, and criticise any effort others make to attempt to make some changes, without demonstrating in any concrete way what they are actually doing about it.

I myself have been teased and given shit for the way I ride. I dont care!! I am happy and safe in my space.

**98tls** · 6th July 2008, 19:41

Originally Posted by Mom

I myself have been teased and given shit for the way I ride. I dont care!! I am happy and safe in my space.

At the end of the day that is the only thing that matters.How many times when out riding with mates have i seen the small head take over the thinking from the big head when having fun in the twisties,more than once ive been following a guy that instead of backing off has ignored all the signs of "this is getting out of control" kept charging with the inevitable result.a couple of times i have thought this is going to end badly and sure enough it did.The human ego is a wonderful thing as once i was informed it was my fault.lol.

**Katman** · 6th July 2008, 19:46

Originally Posted by Mom

I detest people that sit back, moan like anything about image, and criticise any effort others make to attempt to make some changes, without demonstrating in any concrete way what they are actually doing about it.

Ummm........

Let me guess.

**carver** · 6th July 2008, 19:53

do you n00bs belive that anyone has a right to disagree with your campaign, even fellow bikers!
fuck that "lets clean up our image shit, lets make it worse!

the mormon few are dedicated at doing this, spreading the word of bad ass motorcycling!

**98tls** · 6th July 2008, 20:00

Originally Posted by carver

do you n00bs belive that anyone has a right to disagree with your campaign, even fellow bikers!
fuck that "lets clean up our image shit, lets make it worse!

the mormon few are dedicated at doing this, spreading the word of bad ass motorcycling!

Funny really as its probably only a matter of time until you make a very valuable contribution to the cause.