Why the WRB campaign is going nowhere.

**skidMark** · 29th June 2008, 17:36

Originally Posted by Mom

Yes and I believe that there will be a further piece in tomorrows Herald too having just got off the phone for about the 3rd time this afternoon with the reporter.

As far as this comment goes "See, that's half the problem. You don't even have the support of all motorcyclists" I did not realise we actually needed it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion about this or any issue.

Stop trolling Katman, no one is asking for your support though if I am not mistaken you attended a protest in Taupo against them not so long ago.

Sorry i have to disagree with you on this one Mom.

He is not trolling at all, he is infact trying to gather support, he has attempted this multiple times, because he believes it is a worthy cause and i am on his side with it.

The problem is he gets shut down so much what is he to do, most people would go f**k ya and leave everybody to it, but he is passionaite about getting it sorted so he isnt giving up without pushing to the end an issue which i also believe has given motorcyclists a bad rep for a long time.

It is alot to as motorcyclists ask for alot to be done for us in regards to roading.

When riders ride the way they do on the road.

Idiotic actions of the few are alot more noticed than the many who are responsible. but unfortunately the majority always suffer over the foolish actions of the few, this is the way of the world unfortunately.

**PirateJafa** · 29th June 2008, 17:37

What the fuck Katman? Hell I was hearing about the campaign on the radio this morning!

**dangerous** · 29th June 2008, 17:38

They were talking about bikes and the barriers on the news to day... so the message is getting through be it on deaf ears or somewhat slow... but it is getting through.

Katman, point taken but you refer only to the minority.. not the majority, fuk man the kaikoura coast is covered in the WRB's and the coast road can be very slipery due to the seal sea spray etc, at times doing less than the speed limit thers every chance you could still end up on ya arse ans as these barriers are on the fog line in a lot of cases... a biker could very easly be cought up in them.

**Katman** · 29th June 2008, 17:41

Originally Posted by skidMark

but he is passionaite about getting it sorted so he isnt giving up without pushing to the end

Thank you Mark.

That's it in a nutshell.

**skidMark** · 29th June 2008, 17:41

Originally Posted by PirateJafa

What the fuck Katman? Hell I was hearing about the campaign on the radio this morning!

Yeah except if you listened to the opinions of car drivers the other day on newstalk ZB they all gave prime examples of riders being stupid. they will always remember the stupid ones over the responsible.

People are quick to complain about something.

But, they rarely will make comment when something is a good job.

We cannot expect gratitude for obeying the road rules instead of blatent disregard for them. when obeying the road rules is what we should be doing anyway, we are not doing anything beyond what we should be by obeying the road rules.

So they are not going to achknowledge it unfortunately.

EDIT: Katman check ya emails, (ya work xtra one i think)

**megageoff76** · 29th June 2008, 17:42

+1 for me too.

In the past week ive seen some absolutley disgracefull riding on my daily commute. Most of them on seem to be on 250's who obviously have something to prove to either themselves and other bikers.

**Mom** · 29th June 2008, 17:43

Originally Posted by Pussy

I'm not trolling, or trying to discredit anyone, but I wholeheartedly support Katman's efforts to get motorcyclists to clean up their image

He may be using the wrong vehicle to make his point though in this instance.

I too am for improving the image of motorcyclists, hence I was one of the primary instigators for the fundraising rides that took place around NZ yesterday, doing good things in the community. Positive spin and all that.

As I said to the herald reporter this afternoon, in general we (motorcyclists) take evey step we can to mitigate our personal safety when riding, but bad things can still happen that are outside of our control eg sudden extreme gusts of wind/mechanical or structural failure of our motorcycles. I acknowledge/d there are a percentage of bikers that tarnish our image by their stupidity but we can not all be held accountable for their actions. For what it is worth, he agreed.

**Tank** · 29th June 2008, 17:45

Its really funny that Katman is going to cop more shit (again) in this thread than the five ATNR's riders that lost their license. Yet he is the one that is trying to get bikers to a position where they are seen in a more positive light by people.

Maybe - if more people listed to him (a little) *god forbid* and made honest attempts to ride better (better not meaning faster) - then:

a) People on bikes will be looked on in a better light by people
b) More of us will make it to the end of the year.

When I've talked to people about cheesecutters - almost without fail they say that "ohh the guy was going 150+kph" - The riders speed is the factor that they focus on - not the issue of the barriers themselves. Maybe if we are seen in a better light people may start giving a shit that the barriers are bad for bikers.

**Mom** · 29th June 2008, 17:45

Originally Posted by skidMark

Sorry i have to disagree with you on this one Mom.

He is not trolling at all, he is infact trying to gather support, he has attempted this multiple times, because he believes it is a worthy cause and i am on his side with it.

The problem is he gets shut down so much what is he to do, most people would go f**k ya and leave everybody to it, but he is passionaite about getting it sorted so he isnt giving up without pushing to the end an issue which i also believe has given motorcyclists a bad rep for a long time.

It is alot to as motorcyclists ask for alot to be done for us in regards to roading.

When riders ride the way they do on the road.

Idiotic actions of the few are alot more noticed than the many who are responsible. but unfortunately the majority always suffer over the foolish actions of the few, this is the way of the world unfortunately.

Since when did you get so grown up sonny boy? LOL, I am enjoying seeing this side of you shown to more than just a few of us! Keep it up

Oh and read my next post, I am not knocking him at all.

**Katman** · 29th June 2008, 17:46

Originally Posted by Mom

As I said to the herald reporter this afternoon, in general we (motorcyclists) take evey step we can to mitigate our personal safety when riding

Do you truly believe that?

I don't.

**madandy** · 29th June 2008, 17:50

"...motorcyclists as a whole accept that the greatest danger to our own safety comes, in fact, from our own attitudes and actions and not from cheesecutters, cagers or ginga coppers nothing is likely to change..."

So when do we start educating the masses?

I was under the assumption that those leading the cheesecutter campaign were infact, experienced, mature, responsible motorcyclists...

**Katman** · 29th June 2008, 17:52

Originally Posted by madandy

I was under the assumption that those leading the cheesecutter campaign were infact, experienced, mature, responsible motorcyclists...

And I haven't disputed that in the slightest.

I do however believe their efforts have been directed in the wrong direction.

**Mom** · 29th June 2008, 17:56

Originally Posted by Mom

He may be using the wrong vehicle to make his point though in this instance.

I too am for improving the image of motorcyclists, hence I was one of the primary instigators for the fundraising rides that took place around NZ yesterday, doing good things in the community. Positive spin and all that.

As I said to the herald reporter this afternoon, in general we (motorcyclists) take evey step we can to mitigate our personal safety when riding, but bad things can still happen that are outside of our control eg sudden extreme gusts of wind/mechanical or structural failure of our motorcycles. I acknowledge/d there are a percentage of bikers that tarnish our image by their stupidity but we can not all be held accountable for their actions. For what it is worth, he agreed.

Originally Posted by Katman

Do you truly believe that?

I don't.

If you are going to quote my words, please do not be selective.

**madandy** · 29th June 2008, 17:56

So while we embark on a ten year campaign to correct motorcyclists riding attitudes we accept a few deaths that may have been avoided had we actively campaigned to prevent more WRB installation and the eventual removal of said eyesore?

Can we not attempt both at the same time?