Why the WRB campaign is going nowhere.

**reofix** · 9th July 2008, 20:45

listen mate... personal attack is fine if you need it... i am just trying to contributre intelligently ... i do around 30000 k a year about half of that at legal speeds ... neverthless i take alot of care around wire barriers, icy roads, and loose units... seems only sensible

**Katman** · 9th July 2008, 21:11

Originally Posted by reofix

listen mate... personal attack is fine if you need it...

Get used to it reofix.

It seems it's all they have left to fall back on.

**Mom** · 9th July 2008, 21:50

Originally Posted by reofix

listen mate... personal attack is fine if you need it... i am just trying to contributre intelligently ... i do around 30000 k a year about half of that at legal speeds ... neverthless i take alot of care around wire barriers, icy roads, and loose units... seems only sensible

Glad to hear it. You ride as I suspect most of us here do. Sensibly and according to the conditions. Who was personally attacking you? I have read your post here and cant see who would? Couple of questions though...

You state "people hit trees and die every week" I dont hear of them, can you please provide details?

You also state "since these went up on deadly bits of nz roads they have saved a lot of lives"

Can you please also give me details?

You talk about deadly bits of NZ roads, perhaps that is a fair call, what about the installations on other roads around NZ?

Last question here you say you "i do around 30000 k a year about half of that at legal speeds"

I assume you do the rest at non-legal speeds?

Personal responsibility is all yours.

**reofix** · 9th July 2008, 22:02

Yip... i take responsibility for what i say ... for what i do... and for what happens to me... anybody would think i wasnt a proper comrade of "its da gummints fault" party.... grow up

**Mikkel** · 9th July 2008, 22:55

Originally Posted by reofix

I am with katman on this... i ride like my life depends on it round wire barriers but then i ride like that all the time ... since these went up on deadly bits of nz roads they have saved a lot of lives (head ons over centre line eliminated)... one motorcyclist has died in a loss of control situation.. (so happened he hit a wire barrier)... people hit trees and die every week ... does it follow we should have a "no trees near roads ride"....

I don't know if you are just a new member or a lurker who haven't paid attention...

However, it's not that people generally disagree with what Katman is trying to get across. It's more the way he tries to get his message through that is the issue here. Combined with the fact that he's busy dissing people who actually put in an effort to try and enact a change while not putting his, proverbial, money where his mouth is.

Hopefully, anyone with more than half a brain will ride like their life depended on it - because it does. Those with less - well Darwin has got to take his share one way or the other.

Originally Posted by reofix

listen mate... personal attack is fine if you need it... i am just trying to contributre intelligently ... i do around 30000 k a year about half of that at legal speeds ... neverthless i take alot of care around wire barriers, icy roads, and loose units... seems only sensible

You have got to be new around here if you consider Mom's post a personal attack. My only advice is HTFU - that, and take care around cars as well.

**Katman** · 9th July 2008, 23:05

Originally Posted by Mikkel

However, it's not that people generally disagree with what Katman is trying to get across. It's more the way he tries to get his message through that is the issue here.

Utter crap.

The very word Katman is enough to send some on here into a paroxysm of rage.

The fact that my delivery has in fact changed over the last few months while the reaction of the Rabid Few (T/M) remains the same shows that the (ever diminishing) 'I Hate Katman Club' is, as ever, just feverishly clutching at straws.

**Mikkel** · 9th July 2008, 23:18

Originally Posted by Katman

Utter crap.

The very word Katman is enough to send some on here into paroxysm.

The fact that my delivery has in fact changed over the last few months while the reaction of the rabid few remains the same shows that the (ever diminishing) 'I Hate Katman Club' is, as ever, just feverishly clutching at straws.

Perhaps that shall teach you a lesson about the challenges associated with changing people and their perceptions. Something which lies at the very heart of your "campaign" and something you will need to understand on a very intimate level if you should ever hope to succeed.

What do you yourself consider the reason for reasonable people to take exception to your reasonable message if not your delivery?

BTW have you considered that some of us might not even give a fuck about you or your opinions? That what you are spouting is quite simply neither profound nor provoking - simply a logical conclusion to engaging in any imaginable kind of risky behaviour.

But yes, your delivery has changed somewhat I'll give you that. It still leaves a lot to be desired. Keep changing though!

**Mikkel** · 10th July 2008, 09:18

Originally Posted by Mikkel

Perhaps that shall teach you a lesson about the challenges associated with changing people and their perceptions. Something which lies at the very heart of your "campaign" and something you will need to understand on a very intimate level if you should ever hope to succeed.

What do you yourself consider the reason for reasonable people to take exception to your reasonable message if not your delivery?

BTW have you considered that some of us might not even give a fuck about you or your opinions? That what you are spouting is quite simply neither profound nor provoking - simply a logical conclusion to engaging in any imaginable kind of risky behaviour.

But yes, your delivery has changed somewhat I'll give you that. It still leaves a lot to be desired. Keep changing though!

Your red rep was expected Katman - I'll take it as a compliment of my astute observation skills. You truly are a little scared man aren't you?
And as for there only being MSTRS, Yungatart, Mom and myself left with that opinion I shall consider myself in very good company indeed. However, I think you are incorrect about that as well.

No public comeback?

**yungatart** · 10th July 2008, 09:25

Originally Posted by Mikkel

Your red rep was expected Katman - I'll take it as a compliment of my astute observation skills. You truly are a little scared man aren't you?
And as for there only being MSTRS, Yungatart, Mom and myself left with that opinion I shall consider myself in very good company indeed. However, I think you are incorrect about that as well.

No public comeback?

My mother always said I was indecently stubborn and would never give up. She said it like it was a negative thing...I prefer to see it as a positive.
Determined and persistent, I will stick with this till my dying day or we get results, whichever comes first.
See Katman,I do surround myself with illustrious company!!

**Katman** · 10th July 2008, 09:39

Originally Posted by yungatart

Determined and persistent, I will stick with this till my dying day or we get results, whichever comes first.

Maybe we're both a little more similar than either of us would care to admit.

**MSTRS:Me** · 10th July 2008, 09:46

Originally Posted by Katman

Maybe we're both a little more similar than either of us would care to admit.

As much as you might wish, I'm not going to sleep with you.

**Katman** · 10th July 2008, 09:48

Originally Posted by Mikkel

And as for there only being MSTRS, Yungatart, Mom and myself left with that opinion I shall consider myself in very good company indeed. However, I think you are incorrect about that as well.

Yeah, you're right - how could I forget Boob?

**Katman** · 10th July 2008, 09:48

Originally Posted by MSTRS

As much as you might wish, I'm not going to sleep with you.

Can I have that in writing?

**MSTRS:Me** · 10th July 2008, 09:57

Originally Posted by reofix

... people hit trees and die every week ... does it follow we should have a "no trees near roads ride"....

In cars perhaps, with their greater kinetic energy they will travel further off the road and into tree country. How many trees do you see down the centre of roads, and on numbered roads (Transit controlled) how many do you see with trees a couple of feet off the road edge?

Originally Posted by reofix

listen mate... personal attack is fine if you need it... i am just trying to contributre intelligently ... i do around 30000 k a year about half of that at legal speeds ... neverthless i take alot of care around wire barriers, icy roads, and loose units... seems only sensible

I fail to understand why you would think anyone was attacking you. And what's this 'grow up' shit? Apart from the obvious stirrers, the posters in this thread and others like it, all have valid points to make, and are all reasonably (at least) passionate about safety issues. The specifics might alter, but the message is fairly similar...personal responsibility coupled with calls to stop making things more dangerous in the form of inappropriate barriers.