Urgent: 250cc Bike needed for licence test

[Donor]

Seriously you cannot believe yourself can you.

You're like the guy who is president of america and says having never tried something I can honestly say it has nothing to offer me.
Oh and nice change of topic. I thought you were ripping into breaks holier than thou(non existant) attitude

Sigh.

Let me summarise one last time westie - I'll try and use small words.

Riding on a motor bike bigger than 250cc is illegal when on your learners or restricted license.

Price is no excuse - if you can't afford the bike, tough shit, you don't ride.

There are NO excuses - other than hard fought exemptions through the LTSA, and poverty isn't an excuse.

This has been my argument the whole time. It's not THAT hard to follow, is it?

And at no time have I been ripping into breakaway - but I have been getting at the blatantly obvious holier-than-thou attitude that a lot of people seem to have when it comes to self-interpreting the law.

Enough said. Your arguing is as weak as a geriatrics bladder on bingo night.

[Spyked]

No.

If you can't afford a 250, tough - don't ride til you can, pure and simple.

It IS illegal riding a bigger bike than that prescribed by law that the majority of us abide by.

Zealot, nicely thought out post. It doesn't change anything, and frankly the "but bigger bikes are cheaper!" argument carries no weight.

Westie - damn boy, you're looking set to become the next skidMark of KB.

The world is black and white - those that live in the grey are lost.

I take it from your post that you've never broken any laws then?

[breakaway]

since when

At the time, most of the 250s I had seen in my price range (~$2000) were pretty beat up, and in dire need of "TLC". So when I saw that a 400 Sport in good condition was marginally more, I thought "Flag that" and got the 400. It was quite impulsive really. I buy now'd it without seeing it in person.

And for gods sakes, get off your 'I'm above the law because my uber ethics allows me to be' high horse.

and so if you think you are above the law then there's something wrong with you.

I never said anything like this. If something I have posted previously gave you this impression then you have misunderstood me.

This sites' ability to turn the most insignificant comment into the largest shit storm ever will never cease to amaze me. Hours of entertainment.

Plenty of cheapish 250 bikes that would serve 12 months under a newbie out there til they could upgrade.

Of course. But this would mean that I would have to buy a beat up TLC requiring sport bike, or alternatively, buy a single or something like that. But I wanted to get the type of bike [sport] that would make ME happy.

I know lot of people put up with a type of bike that isn't their 'first choice' for their learner period, and I was intending to also, until I impulse-bought the 400RR. As I posted earlier, I test rode several 250s recently (SR250, GN250, etc) and they were all shit. Routine maintenance like lubing cables had been blatantly ignored.

Secondly I have never made excuses of any type; It's a choice I made. I could have waited for a cheaper 250 to come up, or bought a GN250, but I did waht I did and I do not regret it. Surely you can't say that you do not at all understand why someone would be tempted to do the same thing I did.

Well all the 250cc riders/learner riders I know look after their bikes well and know alot about preventive maintenance. I just think it is wrong to stereotype all learner riders that they thrash/crashed their bikes or all 250cc bikes have gone through a hard life.

Not all, just most. And what really pissed me off is that they were asking criminal prices for it. Case in point: Went to see a SR250 recently, it had the most vicious tappet noise, and clutch cable that barely came out on its own (I could pull it in, let go of it, and slowly add power and get the bike moving - it recoiled THAT slowly). The guy wanted $2000 for it. Faak that.

Then what about the front of your CBR400? It has forks?, calipers and rotors off a Suzuki...does that mean some time in its life it had a crash so badly that required the front to be replaced...many wild assumptions can be drawn as to the cause.

Fair call. But it was dirt cheap, and hasn't missed a beat since I got it. If it was a 250RR, It would have been twice what I paid for the 400. At least.

[Donor]

I take it from your post that you've never broken any laws then?

Nope.

Well, only when I have had to for work reasons.

[sinfull]

I have to laugh at the trolling !
Good on you for going through the steps to get your licence mate !
Don't know if it was your full or restricted, as you haven't let on (can't say i blame ya, as it'll only bring on another bashing for being on a 4 hundy if it was ya restricted)
Horrible feeling riding uninsured aye, all i'll say there is ride safe man !

[westie]

Sigh.

Let me summarise one last time westie - I'll try and use small words.

Riding on a motor bike bigger than 250cc is illegal when on your learners or restricted license.

Price is no excuse - if you can't afford the bike, tough shit, you don't ride.

There are NO excuses - other than hard fought exemptions through the LTSA, and poverty isn't an excuse.

This has been my argument the whole time. It's not THAT hard to follow, is it?

And at no time have I been ripping into breakaway - but I have been getting at the blatantly obvious holier-than-thou attitude that a lot of people seem to have when it comes to self-interpreting the law.

Enough said. Your arguing is as weak as a geriatrics bladder on bingo night.

Well thats a great summary of your view.
For me I wouldn't let that resrict me at all.
However I wouldn't ride what I couldn't control.
This seems to be the view of some people.

Its going to be ok princess

[Spyked]

Nope.

Well, only when I have had to for work reasons.

So it's acceptable that you break the law "for work reasons" but not for Beakaway to breach his license conditions??????
Your argument's really getting tenuous innit?

[breakaway]

So it's acceptable that you break the law "for work reasons" but not for Beakaway to breach his license conditions??????
Your argument's really getting tenuous innit?

He's an Ambulance Officer

[zeocen]

lol@people saying they can't afford a 250.

Ego rules at the end of the day, I spent my time on a '90 GPX250 and it was a little cramped but travelled superbly, got it for $2,500.. sold it for $2,300 to a mate who's now got it to 90,000km and still going strong. I'm 6'2 and 92kg.. I had no problem going back and forth from Auckland -> Whangamata/Pauanui on many occasions.

Saying you can't afford 250 = flat out bollocks.
Claiming ignorance that you just clicked 'buy now' on a bigger bike = Controlled by ego.

Why people want to skip stages in what should be a life long hobbie is beyond me.. I'm so glad I got my lil GPX250. It was an awesome little fucker!

[Zealot]

It's a perfectly valid reason. I paid $2600 for my gpx250, and it was the cheapest one I could find. Before you start spouting off crap, take a look at trademe. Good luck finding any 250 that isn't a GN for less than $3k and isn't buggered.

The prices for 250s have been steadily going up, and I'm a student. I don't work as I can't. There is no WAY I would be able to get the marks I want and still work 10 hours a week - that 10 hours is vital to my studies. My class is (quote from lecturer) the most competitive group they've ever had, meaning you need to work hard for as little as a percent.
As such, my budget is limited by what savings I have.

So in short, stop being a self-centred knob For people working full time, sure, they can get $4k to buy a nice vtr or whatever. For a student, $4k is a heck of a lot of money, typically.

[Squiggles]

I bought an RGV250, a minter, for $1800 a couple of years back, never had any trouble, sold it later on for $100 less, Hanne bought her zzr about the same time breakaway bought the cbr, for $1800.... Banzai bought a minter of a GN ('04) for a grand... lol @ the i cant afford it attitude. The law is supposed to be there for safety, to not give you too much power, from memory breakaway was on the rocks after giving it too much gas in a silly passing move, a gn probably wouldnt have been able to make the passing move at all :P

[tri boy]

Pppfft, puppies, don't you know the price of 250's is jacked up excessively so that your hard earned paper round $$ can be used for more important things like providing quality scotch whiskey to bike shop owners.
Puppies in all walks of life are always departed from their dollars in this way.
But riding outside your license conditions, running into a 2005 Ferrari side on after doing a squid maneuver, and NOT having insurance to cover the repairs is just dumb.(this is hypothetical by the way)
Whining and crying to your mom may work, but it won't work with an insurance company.
Donors right. End of story.
Congrats on the test breakaway.

[zeocen]

It's a perfectly valid reason. I paid $2600 for my gpx250, and it was the cheapest one I could find. Before you start spouting off crap, take a look at trademe. Good luck finding any 250 that isn't a GN for less than $3k and isn't buggered.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-165085012.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-164886746.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-164165544.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-162944191.htm

This is from literally 1 minute of clicking the search button, on any given day. Now I'm not saying they are absolutely mechanically fresh, since I haven't looked at them in person but it's obvious the choices are there if your ego lets you have something lower than the IL4 250s.

You, yourself said you got a GPX250 for 2,600 and unless you got a lemon or thrashed the nuts off of it, you would have gotten close to the same price on resale, if you were patient/smart enough.

Now, I don't know where you got this whole "full time job, rah rah, don't have $4,000 to spend on a sports bike rah rah.." Do you not see the wonder of being able to start on a 250? Or are you an instant gratification type? I wouldn't have mind if I started on a GN125 for christ's sake, I have all the base knowledge and intuitive skills needed to at least make it on a commuting trip thanks to my GPX250, it was light, forgiving and didn't give a shit how I treated it. As opposed to a certain mini 400cc rocket that had an inexperienced rider on top and flew it onto a pile of rocks, down a bank. (Who, might I add, also told another 250CBR owner at one stage to forget about the 250 and go for 400. In person, I was there. "I would have gotten a 250", yeah sure buddy.)

Next time you want to spout excrement such as being unable to find a decent bike for 2k that will last at a maximum of 2 years, it might pay to look at motorcycle trading sites and papers to make sure you can back those claims up, you may also want to remind yourself where you are. I have seen countless 250s for sale well below the price they would be on TradeMe, for sale on this site, for fellow KB'ers or new people who've just signed up, looking for a bike.

The argument that reliable 250's are too expensive died ages ago, only ego thinks that's the case, because you've got to look and sound cool, right? Well, ego needs to be checked also, because at the end of the day it's still a 250 and with that argument, that shit just don't float.

[klyong82]

I did buy a CBR250 a while back for $1400....I was careful to wait for good deals and this one only needed a battery and carb rebalanced so I bought it....sold it a year later for $3200. It is now still used at the military base over the shores. Best deal I ever got. Deals are always there if you keep your eyes peeled out.