Should KiwiBiker be actively promoted?

[Hitcher]

A discussion in another thread raises the issue of whether this KiwiBiker site should be actively promoted through New Zealand motorcycle magazines and other overt channels.

This is our gargre. Should we be in the business of actively growing its membership, or should we just continue to let it evolve organically as it has done to date?

Active promotion comes with some fishhooks, as noted in another thread (if I knew how to link I would, so some help please...).

Vote now!

[Ms Piggy]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=7828 Here's the link.

I like the idea of natural evolution myself. I guess it will happen eventually but, the bigger it gets the more knob heads are likely to join. I know, I know - my tolerant self revealing itself again.

I think we also have to think of the work involved for Spank Me and the fact that he does it for virtually nothing...except of course our eternal gratitude and the ocaasional donation via Pay Pal.

[James Deuce]

Autopoiesis anyone?

[Jantar]

OK, I'm a fairly new member here, and I was directed to the site by another member who was himself quite new. My opinion may therefore be from a position of ignorance concerning the developement of the site and if this is the case then I am prepared to be corrected.

However I believe that the fact that the site does have moderators enables the standards to be maintained and new members can be educated by the more experienced ones. Therefore I see no issues with promoting the site to a wider audience. If the site was unmoderated then I would prefer some method of limiting or restricting membership.

[vifferman]

Autopoiesis anyone?

Dunno.
I have no idea what that is, neither did the great, all-knowing Interweb (prolly due to its US bias...)

My view is that it's working fine as it is, and while out riding we should encourage people we meet to join, as long as they're not knob ends.

I belong to some other overseas forums/fora, and they're not as good as this. One example is the UK VFR forum, which uses the same engine as KB, looks simialr, but is much more restrictive in terms of not being able to customise your use until you've posted x messages, and not being able to do many of the things we take for granted unless you become an official (paid up!) member. I don't like it.

However I believe that the fact that the site does have moderators enables the standards to be maintained and new members can be educated by the more experienced ones. Therefore I see no issues with promoting the site to a wider audience. If the site was unmoderated then I would prefer some method of limiting or restricting membership.

That creates extra work for the moderators though. "Promotion" need only be by word-of-mouth to keep KB from becoming stagnant. Mind you, having said that, if it were advertised in Kiwi Rider or wherever, it's not likely to grow hugely.
I think.

[White trash]

I'm thinking that we're all big enough to look after the site and run the wankers out as we have in the past.

You'll get more people onboard, sure. There will be trollers amongst them. And people who rub others the wrong way.

Kiwi Biker. A site for all New Zealand motorcyclists.

Sez it at the top of the page you're reading and every other page on the site. Who the hell are we to not promote it to the ignorant? I've met a few people here who I now consider to be bloody good mates.

I'm all for promoting it.

[James Deuce]

Dunno.
I have no idea what that is, neither did the great, all-knowing Interweb (prolly due to its US bias...)

My view is that it's working fine as it is, and while out riding we should encourage people we meet to join, as long as they're not knob ends.

I belong to some other overseas forums/fora, and they're not as good as this. One example is the UK VFR forum, which uses the same engine as KB, looks simialr, but is much more restrictive in terms of not being able to customise your use until you've posted x messages, and not being able to do many of the things we take for granted unless you become an official (paid up!) member. I don't like it.

Autopoiesis

[vifferman]

Autopoiesis

Thanx, Jim!

[Hitcher]

Autopoiesis anyone?

Where an "auto poi" is something used by a robotic Maori entertainment group; making "autopoiesis" the process of mechanical wear and tear associated with said?

[sAsLEX]

I think promotion is a good idea, but trying to keep up with the new threads coming up will start to be hard work! Will have to get a cellphone like MR's so I can check it while away from my comp!

[Blakamin]

I'm thinking that we're all big enough to look after the site and run the wankers out as we have in the past.

You'll get more people onboard, sure. There will be trollers amongst them. And people who rub others the wrong way.

Kiwi Biker. A site for all New Zealand motorcyclists.

Good point!!!! and we have a system to deal with wankers anyway....

[James Deuce]

Merv has already touched on this point in the "other" thread, but I don't trust the print media or KR to understand and present a technology based community in a way that is both positive promotion and clearly representative of the community ideals of that community.

In my experience a large percentage of print publications are both technophobic and dismissive of most things web based and "free". If KR want to enter this space, then perhaps setting up a login under the shops heading and announcing a subscription deal for KR would have been a more honest approach.

I don't have any issue with promoting KB, but it just doesn't need "professional" help, as thanks to Lynda Blair, all "Kiwi Bikers" are connected anyway (she DOES know everyone on two wheels).

[White trash]

If KR want to enter this space, then perhaps setting up a login under the shops heading and announcing a subscription deal for KR would have been a more honest approach.

I'm not sure that KR have entered this space, mate. Merely a freelance journalist who happens to write for KR, among others.

How about me joining in the hope of boosting my sales figures.........

[Sniper]

Keep it in the family, no need to advertise it, as you may just get retards on here trying to troll and piss some off

[Big Dave]

Merv has already touched on this point in the "other" thread, but I don't trust the print media or KR to understand and present a technology based community in a way that is both positive promotion and clearly representative of the community ideals of that community.

In my experience a large percentage of print publications are both technophobic and dismissive of most things web based and "free". If KR want to enter this space, then perhaps setting up a login under the shops heading and announcing a subscription deal for KR would have been a more honest approach.

I don't have any issue with promoting KB, but it just doesn't need "professional" help, as thanks to Lynda Blair, all "Kiwi Bikers" are connected anyway (she DOES know everyone on two wheels).

Yeah, cool - as I've just said in the other thread - This is not a KR initiative - this is me, a long time and enthusiastic MC forum member, moderator and participant - with a world wide circle of friends in places just like this.
I'm a freelancer - I'm not on any KR crusade - But I have good access to the mag and if I can see mutual benefit and an opportunity to produce some entertainment whilst doing it....
I supply material to all the mags - ads mostly and have good relations with Trader & BRM too.
I am also pretty techno savvy and develop sites, (www.amps.co.nz, www.triumphnz.co.nz, www.nzadventures.co.nz, www.radiushealth.co.nz etc etc) multimedia, digital video. So geeky I shouldn't be so cool ;-)

Rest assured - no encroachment - just participation.
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