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Pricing Information
XR1200 – A$15,995 / NZ$16,750
V Rod Muscle (VRSCF) - A$25,995 / NZ$26,750
Fat Bob CVO – A$52,995 / NZ$53,995
FLHR – A$28,495 / NZ$28,995
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Its a complete conundrum: Triumph Scrambler ($15k odd) vs XR1200:
I thought elections were decided by angry posts on social media. - F5 Dave
I suspect after a test ride it will be easy.Its a complete conundrum: Triumph Scrambler ($15k odd) vs XR1200:
Scrambler makes HALF the hp of the new 1200.
Looks pretty but f-me if it does not go like a 1980 CB400
Shame on Triumph for using its most gutless of engines.
Chrissy-Bimbo says woot-woot!
Only item she didn't like is the twin zorst - reckons a two-into-one and a single Supeertrapp would be the go.
Winding up drongos, foil hat wearers and over sensitive KBers for over 14,000 posts...........![]()
" Life is not a rehearsal, it's as happy or miserable as you want to make it"
I dunno. I've actually test ridden a scrambler. Glen at Street & Sport (bless 'im) said "take it to the top of the hill if you like, see how it goes". Got to the top of the hill and went back the long way. (for chirstcurchians, up to Sign of Kiwi, out to the wheatsheaf, over gebbies and back thru Halswell. I will say its a fuckload better on a motorbike than that same ride on a pushbike...) test ride around 50 km, with city riding, tight corners, uphill and down, and a couple of long sweepers thrown in for good measure. Thats basically what I do on a street bike now, go to Akaroa, go to the Bealey, up to Kaikoura and the odd weekender or long ride.
The Triumph was an absoute ball to ride. Seating position, power delivery, "snap" when you pull the trigger, all good. Didnt vibrate, I have no concern about reliability, it had not bad brakes (within the limits of its tyres, though they were surprisingly good.) Dead stable at 140kph in the long sweeper, no weave no wobble. Sounded great (could be louder) and her indoors said she liked it also.
Of course it depends what you want your bike for: I have a track bike so I can get cheap thrills that way in a controlled environment, safely. Yup, I'm old. I have no interest in going hard on the road anymore, so for me its all about bopping along, having a good time. But I dont want a cruiser, it isnt me.
The only thing that I didnt like that much was sitting in traffic the pipe heated up my inner thigh a bit. I was in jeans, so I doubt it would be an issue with leathers.
In short, I didnt feel the thing was underpowered by any means, and having ridden a CB400 Twin that a guy I rode with had in the '80's (I had a GSX400, a MUCH better bike...) the comparison is grossly unfair.
And if I did get one and did find it was underpowered, there are solutions: cams, pipes and jets. Though I wouldnt want to do anything that upset the "balance" of the package, and I'd rather spend the money on Ohlins shocks and fork rebuild. The other thing with the scrambler is that it would be good for doing some gravel road exploring, which I am sort of keen on also.
The big drawback of the Harley for me would be the 250kg weight (my Hornet is I think 215, and the scrambler is around the same) a very small fuel tank, and the fact that I'm not sure if I want an HD, no matter how good the bike is (and yes, thats my problem).
But there is it seems only a grand difference in the price.
Definitely worth a test ride though, as you say, but power in a road bike just isnt where its at for me any more.
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" Life is not a rehearsal, it's as happy or miserable as you want to make it"
I don't use the 108 claimed hp of my Hornet very often. looking at the power curve I probably really use 70-80hp in normal use. Honda claim 195 kg dry for the Hornet so yes 55 kg more is a lot on the HD.
I had a 1983 Kawasaki 750 twin for 23 years - that engine was good for 55hp. Enough for cruising and doodling up the hill at a sane pace.
BUT
Is that really all they get out of a 2008 750 twin!
I would have been very serious about a Bonnie when I purchased the Hornet if they had a extra 15 or so ponies. Thunderbike in Nelson can fix that for a couple of grand if you have the $.
Ah shit maybe when I turn 50
At least it is a honest alternative to a HD.
For all you moaners that complain about Australians getting a better deal, take note:
At today's rates:
$16,750 NZD = $12,994.64 AUD
Plus the Aussies have to pay a further 5% stamp duty to get the bike on the road (though technically the stamp duty rate varies according to your state).
Whose moaning?
Most of the comments I've seen about the exchange rate and relative prices have made that point. Where the difference comes in the is the 80-120% difference in take home pay for my particular job within the industry in which I work. Which renders that difference utterly moot.
With that kind of income I'd have a KTM 690 Enduro and an XR1200 in the Gargre and the wife would have the Renault Megane Sport she's been lusting after.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
No moaning in this thread, but there has been in others.
I live in Melbourne. It is very easy to earn money over here ... but also easy to spend it.Most of the comments I've seen about the exchange rate and relative prices have made that point. Where the difference comes in the is the 80-120% difference in take home pay for my particular job within the industry in which I work. Which renders that difference utterly moot.
[QUOTE=AllanB;1663824]I don't use the 108 claimed hp of my Hornet very often. looking at the power curve I probably really use 70-80hp in normal use. Honda claim 195 kg dry for the Hornet so yes 55 kg more is a lot on the HD.
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not true
i swapped my sporty for my hornet.
it was a 1200 kitted 883 prob putting out 70-80ish hp(@flywheel)
the weight difference is not really that noticable as the HD
is alot lower than the Hornet, it was a lot easier to man handle
than the CB900.
the power difference is tho.
Harley Davidson: The most efficient way to convert gasoline into noise without the side effects of horsepower.
'Fast' Harleys are only fast compared to stock Harleys.
That looks like a bit of me!
There is a review in the latest Performance Bikes mag from England.
KiwiBitcher
where opinion holds more weight than fact.
It's better to not pass and know that you could have than to pass and find out that you can't. Wait for the straight.
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