Has any L-plater had a ticket recently for exceeding 70km/h?

[FastBikeGear]

I just wondered now that it has been discovered that 70km/h limit for learners on the open road is actually dangerous (who could have guessed this?) and they are scrapping this in the new learner rules (which incidentally look really smart) are they still policing the70km/h restriction in the meantime?

I am just a bit scared to endanger myself now that I know it is dangerous. I am wondering if I should just ignore this rule - (Happy to have L - Plate as this is apparently still good/smart for my safety)

I could have bought a cheaper helmet that met the rules and spent no money on safety items like boots and jacket/pants with armour which cost hundreds of dollars.

So I am already paying money for my safety.

Perhaps ignoring the dangerous 70Km/h rule and paying the fines is just another way of paying money to be safer?

[Monsterbishi]

imo, the 70kph learner limit rule is not a bad one in concept, instead of scrapping it, I would be inclined to re-word it.

ie, the problem arises from learners using 80 & 100kph zones whilst only going 70kph, change the wording to something like:

"A learner may not travel on roads where the posted speed limit exceeds 70kph"

And it's all sorted.

Yes, there's those people who bitch'n'gripe about needing to use motorway 'x' to get to work, etc, etc - FFS USE WHATEVER TRANSPORT YOU USED IN THE PAST! The learner period is only six months!

It's bad enough that fuel prices are engorging the scooter using populace with people who aren't going to give a toss about riding, now we're going to bin a law that will see them splattered all over the place at high speed when they lose control from inexperience.

[CookMySock]

Yes you should ignore the 70km restriction where you feel it is safe to do so. If you are unhappy or you have safety concerns, or your stress level begins to rise you should slow down. Do not let the traffic intimidate you into speeding.

100km/hr on clear road with three seconds following distance and you will be fine, except the above caveat.

Read, re-read, and fully understand countersteering before you take corners at these speeds.

DB

[awayatc]

You may want to sit your restricted asap......
That way the whole 70 kph will not be an issue for very long....
Some people stay on a learners for years......
So any incentive to get on with it has to be a good one....
The law is not always right/just or fair....BUT the law can always be enforced, so beware and use commonsense...

[McDuck]

I got done for speeding on my l plate. The cop started the ticket from 100. Dont ride like a tool and you will be fine.

[Gubb]

Two Weeks ago.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=77698

[FastBikeGear]

Thanks Gubb I saw that thread. But it's a little different because he got a ticket for not displaying his L Plate (not for doing 100km on learners).

[Jantar]

imo, the 70kph learner limit rule is not a bad one in concept, instead of scrapping it, I would be inclined to re-word it.

ie, the problem arises from learners using 80 & 100kph zones whilst only going 70kph, change the wording to something like:

"A learner may not travel on roads where the posted speed limit exceeds 70kph"

And it's all sorted.

Yes, there's those people who bitch'n'gripe about needing to use motorway 'x' to get to work, etc, etc - FFS USE WHATEVER TRANSPORT YOU USED IN THE PAST! The learner period is only six months!

It's bad enough that fuel prices are engorging the scooter using populace with people who aren't going to give a toss about riding, now we're going to bin a law that will see them splattered all over the place at high speed when they lose control from inexperience.

So what you are saying is that people who live in a 100kmh area are not permitted to learn? Or is it that you prefer that they obtain their learners, but don't actually learn to ride on it, but rather wait for 6 months until they get their restricted, then start learning to ride?

[BiK3RChiK]

Mate, just slap the L Plate on and go 100km/hr if you are happy doing that speed... I do! My son does, and the cops are not interested! They even wave as I go by...

[Cliffrazor]

You guys have a good system going in NZ,I wish our laws here in SA were the same,we see it here time and again when young guys can climb on to big bikes (600cc and up) on their learners,not having any experience and hitting the highways doing excesive speeds way over 120kmh,and the end result is accidents or fatalities

On the ThinkBike forum I'm on,you read every day of bikers down and worse,the fatalities,just on friday I again went to another funeral of a fallen biker/brother.......we dropping like flies here

[FastBikeGear]

imo, the 70kph learner limit rule is not a bad one in concept, instead of scrapping it, I would be inclined to re-word it.

ie, the problem arises from learners using 80 & 100kph zones whilst only going 70kph, change the wording to something like:

"A learner may not travel on roads where the posted speed limit exceeds 70kph"

And it's all sorted.

Yes, there's those people who bitch'n'gripe about needing to use motorway 'x' to get to work, etc, etc - FFS USE WHATEVER TRANSPORT YOU USED IN THE PAST! The learner period is only six months!

It's bad enough that fuel prices are engorging the scooter using populace with people who aren't going to give a toss about riding, now we're going to bin a law that will see them splattered all over the place at high speed when they lose control from inexperience.

Yeah some good sentiments.

I stayed off the motorways today as I don't have the confidence in the wind and wet yet. (Meant a much longer ride home).

However by not using the motorways I had to deal with lots of intersections, cars pulling out of driveways and side roads - all acident risks.


However I suspect that I can pick the times when it is safe for me to travel at 100K on the motorway. I can't believe it would ever be safe to do 70km/h on the motorway in traffic doing 100k.

I have over 20 years driving cars on the road so have reasonable traffic sense although I can see riding a bike is going to hone this to a higher level.

[xwhatsit]

I've never heard of anybody getting pinged under the 70kph rule. Maybe somebody has, but they're bound to be exceeding the real speed limit anyway, or doing something else particularly naughty.

I spent a year on my learners, did a fairly reasonable amount of kilometres (riding 7 days a week), wore L plate and did 100kph right from day 1. No problem there.

There's far more dangerous places to be than doing 100kph in a straight line down a motorway. I'm far more scared at 50kph in a suburban street, or 70kph through Wiri Rd.

[CookMySock]

by not using the motorways I had to deal with lots of intersections, cars pulling out of driveways and side roads - all acident risks.

yes, but a much safer environment than the motorway. Accidents here will result in an embarrassing fall and a few scrapes. A motorway fall is going to hurt a lot, or worse.

However I suspect that I can pick the times when it is safe for me to travel at 100K on the motorway. [....] I have over 20 years driving cars on the road so have reasonable traffic sense although I can see riding a bike is going to hone this to a higher level.

Yes you will be fine. It is fair to be worried at this time, but soon you will see it is all perfectly workable, and some months later you will be quite the master at it. Once your confidence builds, and sometime when the motorway traffic is very light, take the bike on a motorway route that you already know very well. Relax. Breathe, and hum along at the speed limit. Remain well behind other vehicles in your lane. Be very careful with hidden queues. Then you will see its nothing special, really.

Remember, the most important thing you need, other than skill, knowledge, and experience, is time to allow it all to consolidate. Theres lots of time, and I'm sure you don't want this cool new learning thing to end too soon do you ?

DB

[Subike]

imo, the 70kph learner limit rule is not a bad one in concept, instead of scrapping it, I would be inclined to re-word it.
:

"A learner may not travel on roads where the posted speed limit exceeds 70kph"

And it's all sorted.
.

That would limit me to being able to dive up my driveway only if I was on a learners. The nearest 70kph zone to my home is 27k away ,
what do you suggest that a learner does in this instance?
Some of us do happen to live in rural zones where 100kph is at the house gate and 20k either side of that gate!
70kph is the rule yes, but common sence says keep up with the traffic flow, especially where there is no room between the berm and the cliff edge, up or down, for you to ride safley as the trucks pass you by on the open roads

[Max Preload]

You guys have a good system going in NZ,I wish our laws here in SA were the same,we see it here time and again when young guys can climb on to big bikes (600cc and up) on their learners,not having any experience and hitting the highways doing excesive speeds way over 120kmh,and the end result is accidents or fatalities

On the ThinkBike forum I'm on,you read every day of bikers down and worse,the fatalities,just on friday I again went to another funeral of a fallen biker/brother.......we dropping like flies here

Be careful what you wish for... you might just get it.

It's not a good system at all. The only reason learner motorcyclists here are so heavily restricted for so long is because it's far too easy to obtain a licence to drive a far more lethal weapon, a car. The standard of driving here is fucking appalling.