Naive question

**orographic** · 31st July 2008, 09:56

ok, naive question time.

how would transit etc react if we ( as a group) offered to specifically and separately stumped up the money to either cover or replace these barriers?

I could imagine it having definate propaganda currency in our favor ( " we can no-longer countenance waiting for transit to fix this menace to new zealanders wanting to enjoy the use of the road legally, so we are doing something about it ourselves" )

would this be stood on quickly? or should we try something like this?

logistics requirements would slow it to a progressive roll-out anyway, which could defuse the government knee-jerk, if it was emphasized

and if they decided to obstruct the new works, well, we are a bunch of kiwis, who are spending our own money trying to make the roads safer for everyone, right?

**boomer** · 31st July 2008, 10:04

I can donate 20c. Would you mind loaning me the rest..??

**MSTRS:Me** · 31st July 2008, 10:05

You can offer...watchoo gunna do if it's accepted?
otherwise, a good idea

**koba** · 31st July 2008, 10:28

Interesting Question....

I'm Poor...

**CookMySock** · 31st July 2008, 11:09

why, thats the most naive question I have ever heard !

Yes, its most certainly going to have them wondering isn't it...

DB

**Shadows** · 31st July 2008, 21:58

I pay enough fucking tax thank you very much

**Madness** · 31st July 2008, 22:04

Originally Posted by Shadows

I pay enough fucking tax thank you very much

That bloody Clark Government. Next they'll tax us for having a shit. I'm glad I'm (virtually) married.

I'll put in all the change from my jar. It's about $5 I think.

**MSTRS:Me** · 1st August 2008, 09:28

Actually, I can see Transit's reaction as being...
"Thank you for your offer, but there is no test data available showing any advantage in covering the posts/wires. There is also no data available on which, if any, cover system is better than others. In the absence of these critical figures, our engineers have determined that the uncovered posts/wires are best for all road users."

**The Pastor** · 1st August 2008, 09:40

it will cost alot of money.

**orographic** · 1st August 2008, 21:47

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Actually, I can see Transit's reaction as being...
"Thank you for your offer, but there is no test data available showing any advantage in covering the posts/wires. There is also no data available on which, if any, cover system is better than others. In the absence of these critical figures, our engineers have determined that the uncovered posts/wires are best for all road users."

well then, that itself suggests a possible wedge. getting, or possibly more accurately, shoving their noses ( in a figurative sense) in data comparing the effectiveness and lethality of a selection of solid barrier, wire rope barrier, and EMAS systems.

and then from there, because I can see them playing the "economic realities" and "affordability" cards, data of how to improve the wire rope barrier setup, as currently installed across this country, to come more into line with the safer options as detailed in the first data set

and yes, sure its gonna cost, but also consider how much of your money has gone into paying for the cheese cutters to be put up, in the first place?

It seems to me, that they would have a harder time evading responsibility, when the political fallout of having members of the public taking on part of transits role in making the roads safe for the use of the vehicles that travel on it, starts putting the pressure on them.