Just how many Kilometres?

[Deano]

If you have friends in the industry and want to kick up a stink about it - do it right, get someone with qualifications to state why a particular site is a HAZARD.
H&S 1992 states that all Hazards should be contained, removed or sign posted.

Tui anyone ?

I just rang OSH and described that particular situation - they referred me to the Police, who promptly referred me to Transit...........

[MSTRS:Me]

I just rang OSH and described that particular situation - they referred me to the Police, who promptly referred me to Transit...........

Typical.
Perhaps you could get someone who makes decisions at Transit HQ to instruct his department to all ride/pillion - watch the attitude to WRB change then....

Actually, what about FairGo?? If they ran a segment, the whole country would be made aware of our concerns, and why. Transit's 1 minute right of reply (justifying and extolling the virtues of this crap) could be dealt with right then.

[cooneyr]

The Auckland motorway is about 84 kms long from Orewa to Bombay, median WRB's on most of it, apart from in the city proper where there are concrete dividers.

Interesting answer though. I am going to get REALLY specific with my next question, I am going to ask him for road names and lengths of WRB not only on the SH network but anywhere on New Zealand roads. I will also ask for the specific brand of WRB used, where and why?

Lets see if I can get him to answer that one properly...LOL

Problem is there is a dosconnect between central government and local government when it comes to roading. Transit is a government agency so Harry can ring up Rick at Transit HO and get the answer for kms of WRB on State Highways peice of cake.

For Harry to ring each of the other Road Controlling Authorities (all 73 of them) is not really practical.

There is no reliable central repository of info on road data. There is a central database of sorts but it is pretty unreliable. Besides as others have said there is not a whole heap of WRB on local roads (non state highways). You probably have your answer to withing 10%.

Cheers R

[McJim]

There's about a kilometre of the stuff as a road edge protection in various lengths between Invergiggle and Bluff.

[avgas]

Are you for real? What is so hard to understand about what we are asking for? We do not want to deal site by site. It is a worldwide problem

Did it just get to cold for global warming?
I'm sorry i shouldn't discredit what you are doing - its not that i am completely against it, its just that you are, well to put it bluntly trying to piss against the ocean.

Surely you must see my reasoning that stating
"WRB's are bad..... m'kay" rather than actually taking a systematic approach to the situation is only going to get you looking like some kind of loopy.

If you dont believe me then look at the past. Look at where all the greenies are, look at Greenpeaces, WWF, CCF, Salvation Army, Anti-bikers, Pro-bikers, Anti-government, Anti-Boy racers, Anti-1080, Ride-to-survive, Anti-Teflon, Organic demanding people out there........now tell me you will clear all NZ roads of WRBs within 10 years.....the world within 20.

Please don't take it personally - i just stating without specific reasons for change why would they? Where is the cost benefit analysis? How many people will have to die until you have some statistics? 50? 100? 1000?
Right now the figures dont match up - but specific sites such as Deano addressed can be sort.....RIGHT NOW.....not in 20 years when its apparently "uncool" to have WRB.

[avgas]

Tui anyone ?
I just rang OSH and described that particular situation - they referred me to the Police, who promptly referred me to Transit...........

The bright side of this is - if you rip it out yourself, then their is no legal jurisdiction against you.
So whats stopping you do this is?

[MSTRS:Me]

Surely you must see my reasoning that stating
"WRB's are bad..... m'kay" rather than actually taking a systematic approach to the situation is only going to get you looking like some kind of loopy.
.....
Please don't take it personally - i just stating without specific reasons for change why would they? Where is the cost benefit analysis? How many people will have to die until you have some statistics? 50? 100? 1000?
Right now the figures dont match up - but specific sites such as Deano addressed can be sort.....RIGHT NOW.....not in 20 years when its apparently "uncool" to have WRB.

This is one of those situations where one is either for or against. Your (first) post wasn't clear and you seemed to be putting down the efforts of those who are definitely against....
The thing is, Transit are well aware of what these things do to motorcyclists...they said in a report on barriers in general that they removed all references to motorcycle vs. WRB because "the figures skewed the findings" That would be the findings that Transit wanted. No study etc is needed - it's all been done before. And the figures don't lie. How do you think we know that at 70kph you will lose limbs - or that at 95-100kph you will die??

The bright side of this is - if you rip it out yourself, then their is no legal jurisdiction against you.
So whats stopping you do this is?

Tempting. And has been put forward before. The thing is, we want the general public on our side. And until they realise the dangers, we are only going to be 'bikies, and who cares...and now look what they're doing'.
Still mighty tempting....

[avgas]

Getting the public on your side, while is beneficial in the long run - actually is distracting you from getting resolutions right now.
Unless your burning cars in the street, pulling out the riot police while you throw molotov cocktails at buildings - the high powers to be will not pay any attention to you. I have seen very little change in NZ due to "Walks/hikois(sp)/signed pieces of paper", but i have seen a lot change with small movements, people protesting against 1 particular factory, 1 particular windfarm, 1 particular roading project.
The reason for this being is when it gets to that level - individual people are held accountable. Once you have bowled 2 or 3 of these things - you may even find that the companies will no longer fight against you - and may even seek some kind of common ground.
Think about how easy it has been for you to react to my comments in this thread? Now put yourself in Transit NZ's shoes - you have just been told that you are wrong - you would react exactly the same as what has happened in this thread.
To be defensive is to be human

[RiderInBlack]

Actually, what about FairGo?? If they ran a segment, the whole country would be made aware of our concerns, and why. Transit's 1 minute right of reply (justifying and extolling the virtues of this crap) could be dealt with right then.

Not that silly really, but think that "Target" might be closer. "60mins" or "Sunday" would be even better. How the hell do we get them interested though?

[yungatart]

Not that silly really, but think that "Target" might be closer. "60mins" or "Sunday" would be even better. How the hell do we get them interested though?

Jees, nothing like asking the tough questions first, eh?

TBH, I wish I knew....surely someone knows the producer of one of these shows and will sleep with him/her to get our story aired??

[RiderInBlack]

surely someone knows the producer of one of these shows and will sleep with him/her to get our story aired??

I'd even wear my Nursing Uniform for them (But do think that the idea of me sleeping with them would work better as a threat ;-) LOL).

[McJim]

Jees, nothing like asking the tough questions first, eh?

TBH, I wish I knew....surely someone knows the producer of one of these shows and will sleep with him/her to get our story aired??

I could always offer NOT to sleep with them - that's usually a far more persuasive argument than offering them my body

[Skyryder]

You'd be better directing your questions to your MP. Somewhere in the system there will be the right answer. Tell your MP the reason you want to know this.

The question you need to ask Transit is how many kilometere's of wire rope the have ordered in the past and projected forcasts (how much rope) for the next financial year and any other pertinent information that may allow you to determine the extent that transit is intent on using the wire ropes for barriers on NZ roads etc. Send a copy of the letter that you send to transit to you MP.

Getting this information can be a long drawn out process. You questions have to be accurate. Bueaocrats go to great lengths to withhold information from the public and will fudge you at every opertunity. They no better than to treat MP's that way. Your MP is representative make him/her do the work for you.

Good luck. Skyryder