That's it. Not voting for Nat

[DMNTD:Me]

Yep, people get made into solo parents for various reasons. Contrary to popular belief, most solo parents want to be out working and hate bludgers as much as the next person....it's the crazy benefits system that effectively penalizes them for working that needs sort out.

The system is a lot better re helping people( on DPB,Invalids/Sickness) into work than what many realise...especially when it comes to training/preparing for the work force...
If someone wants I job,they should get one and utilise the options given to them.
If one does NOT want to get a job...they should fend for themselves.

[The Stranger:Me]

So history repeats about every 40 years.

I'm all for the sentiment, I just hope it's not the absolute disaster and financial burden on the tax payer that it was last time they tried something similar.

[Skyryder]

Yep Sue Bradford sumed it up on the new tonight. Here we are heading for a recession and Key and his cronies come up with 'go look for a job' or get some training. Not hard to see where that is heading.


Skyryder

[The Stranger:Me]

Kids NEED to see their parents "working" in some context of the word or they will simply think that it is "normal" not to.

I too have seen it all too much Dougy...FFS 15 hours per week?

Very wise words there sir. Many's the time I have thanked my father for showing me how to work hard. I have also seen a lot of kids with absolutely no idea what hard work is.

[Toaster]

The kiwi bludger system at work.

Why should I work to pay 38% tax so solo mums can stay at home with their kids ?

Maybe, I should be able to work 38% less, and spend some time with mine.

Well said!! Completely agree. Especially when they then go on to have multiple kids STILL getting the DPB!

Some long time beneficiaries even consider their taxpayer funded benefits as a "wage" - it is about time the workers got some back - we work so hard for what we have and have so much taken off us - yet we make so many sacrifices to get where we are.... including missing out on seeing our kids.

[MadDuck]

I have also seen a lot of kids with absolutely no idea what hard work is.

I have the absolute dispair of being in a work place where young people are hired on a part time basis. I cant agree more with your sentiment.

Not only do they not know hard work but they get a real shock when discipline is instilled in them. Even just their lack of respect for their seniors is quite shocking!

[DMNTD:Me]

When I was on a "long term" Invalids Benefit due to acute spinal issues (yes genuine too mofo's) ,one case officer told me that I would never have to work again...it was the best motivation that I have ever received!

Life is full of choices...I chose flash bikes and living without my hand out.

[MD]

I'm surprised how gentle and fair Nats proposals are! Definitely a move in the right direction.

There's been some silly knee-jerk 'mis-information' responses as expected from Helen almighty and Sue fatfoot.
Helen bleated about the poor solo parent with a severely sick/disabled child - read it again Aunty- subject to comprehensive assessment'

Sue- where are these thousands of jobs going to come from..."
Dipshit, National aren't proposing that benficiaries MUST get a job. They MUST undergo suitable training to help them get a job, or under go free drug/alcohol treatment to HELP make them more likely to get a job, and they MUST accept any suitable job offer.
Sounds fair to me, particular since taxpayers MUST donate a share of their hard earned wages to these people.

From the release statement:
They would face a "comprehensive work assessment" and would be made to take steps to secure work, including practical training, basic skills courses or drug and alcohol rehabilitation.
"After that, they will be required to actively look for a job, go to any job interview they are referred to, and accept any suitable offer of employment. If they don't comply with these obligations, their benefits will be reduced in the first instance, then suspended, then cancelled.''

[Dave Lobster]

Even just their lack of respect for their seniors is quite shocking!

Punch them. Little c*nts.

[Big Dave]

I chose flash bikes and living without my hand out.

Now if you could just get it off your.....good onya.

I'm 95% recovered from a minor spinal injury. Ferk ya up hey.
Toughed it out because for the money it wasn't worth having the Govt and ACC in my life.

[Gremlin]

a lot of kiwis have no idea what REAL poverty is. Real poverty is living in a "house" made of scraps/rubbish salvaged from wherever, no running water, no electricity etc. The benefits that are "paid" to people are taken from those working hard, the theory being that it helps those who need it. Not a career, with a part time job in theft (which does happen).

Yes, there are those that RiB mentions... however, there is also the flip side of the coin. My mother is a special education advisor for the ministry, assisting the kids with special needs stay in school, customising programs for them, helping them learn etc. She did a home visit to one house, who claimed they couldn't afford food for school, and appropriate clothing, yet they had a flippin great LCD TV. We survive on a 25" Flat screen CRT just fine...

The rules are subject to assesment anyway, and I'd be fucked if my taxes are going to people who don't like working.

[avgas]

Kids should be like bikes.
If you cant afford them you cant have them.
Don't even get me started on animals.
Yes i am biased and bitter. And no i dont have kids - what to know why its called respect and its in line 2.
Some day i will have kids, and i will MAKE time for them. Until them im saving my coins so i dont have to ride someone elses horse.

[MisterD]

Yep Sue Bradford sumed it up on the new tonight. Here we are heading for a recession and Key and his cronies come up with 'go look for a job' or get some training. Not hard to see where that is heading.


Skyryder

What? People with skills ready and waiting to work when the economy picks up?

How many Islanders do we bus in every fruit picking season? There are still plenty of jobs out there don't believe everything the MSM tells you.

[Swoop]

So, currently we (the dumb arse taxpayer) are paying for people to sit on their arse watching oprah winfrey while their 6yr old is off at school.

15hrs. What a huge burden for them.

[ajturbo]

when i was on the DPB.. i was needing a help, a new 9 year old... had NO IDEA WTF to do.. mentally fucked. couldn't work if i wanted to!..

that lasted less than a year..
how much tax did i pay before that?... 100's of thousands!!

(i used to be on 110k AFTER tax... you work it out)

i needed "time out".. and the state was there..

but
i support the Nat's on this one..

while Luke was at school i should have been doing SOMETHING apart from spotting the talent at the beach...
and if i had been pushed into something (re-training, part time work) would i be in a much better position now?...
not sure.. but it would have been better for me mentaly...