Paper/Legal roads - Cadastral Map

[marks]

Hi.
Get Google Earth on your computer if you've got broadband it's really good (and free). Just Google, Google Earth (if that makes sense) and download the installer and install. My previous attachment will open automatically in Google Earth. Give it a go you won't be disappointed

I didn't know that you could do this - its brilliant - thanks.

[cooneyr]

Hi cooneyr

I attached a KMZ file with this post (hopefully). I've created the file from a mixture of maps/google earth and memory map. Heading north to south the final part of the road doesn't appear to be formed (google earth) from the just past Mt Pisgah to the formed part of Mt Pisgah Rd. The kmz I've created is a rough idea (Getting ready for All Blacks game) but doesn't represent the 'legal line'. Which is kinda the reason for my first post regarding the cadastral maps. I've also converted it to GPX but for some reason I can't upload that file format? Send me a PM and I'll email the gpx or you can use this freeware converter
http://groups.google.com/group/kml-s...5e2ae637ed4bfc

cheers
Simon

Gidday Simon,

Thanks for the KMZ file. I find GPSBabel is a pretty good tool for converting to GPX files (can do batch converts if you know how to use DOS).

I'm really interested in this route for my web site (see my signature). I want to confirm access details before I will put it up on the ADVroutes site though.

I'm currently 2 weeks off having to submit my masters degree research report so I'm not really in a position to do much with this at the moment but if you ever get to ride the route and have a GPS I'd love a track file (GPX, GDB or whatever format). Also would be good if you can find out more about access, landowners details etc etc.

Cheers R

[Winston001]

Hi.
Get Google Earth on your computer if you've got broadband it's really good (and free). Just Google, Google Earth (if that makes sense) and download the installer and install. My previous attachment will open automatically in Google Earth. Give it a go you won't be disappointed (unless your PC come off the Ark!!)

I'm not sure which book you have, but it's not the same road (Titled Dunrobin Rd) in my 4wd book by Mark Wilson. That road(s) are slighly east/south east of the Pisgah rd. The route RacingDave describes earlier in the post that was used for the 2008 Yamaha Safari is a variation of the route in the book.

I've mapped those 2 routes (Best guess on the Cayenne Spur Racing Dave describes)

Thanks Mon. I used to have Google Earth on my old lappie but after an update, it wouldn't display properly. Haven't downloaded it on this new machine because I seldom use it so I'll chew it over.

Big ups to you for doing the mapping. I need to get an updated Quickmap application for property info and it will import data from Google Earth. However it comes with aerial pics anyway so that should do the job.

[Skinny_Birdman]

Nothing wrong with your idea. Good find.

I'm inclined to think the main purpose would be to argue rights when you think you are entitled to follow an unformed road, but have been denied permission.

That's the sort of discussion the free access to land people are having with Government and Federated Farmers.

Better to simply ask the land owner because that will have long-term goodwill consequences.

One thing to be aware of: I occasionally ride on a paper road in Central Otago, pretty remote. There is a track. But I'm fully aware that if the farmer told me to piss off and I pulled the paper road argument out - he could say "Fine - it runs up that bluff, make sure you stick to the survey!"

In other words, farm tracks are usually vague approximations of the legal road and you have no way of knowing exactly where you are. Often it will be on private land and the road will run across some impossible country.

Just saw this thread, which CooneyR originally linked me to while I was overseas and not in a position to answer. As someone who works in the field, I would agree wholeheartedly with comments such as those above - far better to exercise courtesy and tact, than barge on in with what you consider to be your legal rights (not that any KB adventure rider would do this, I'm sure). You should also be aware that the plotting of paper roads, even from Landonline, (Land Information NZ's supposedly authoritative record, from which any commercial cadastral data product will be sourced) is frequently distorted due to entry errors, dodgy adjustments, and a host of other reasons. These distortions are usually quite small, but can be as much as 50 - 100m. This, combined with the true accuracy of handheld GPS receivers probably rarely being better than +/- 5m, means that you can never be sure that you are actually on the paper road, even if it doesn't point you over a bluff. In the highly unlikely event that it were to go to court, you could find yourself in a hard position to defend. Just my $0.02.

Cheers
A