New vid from Beyond, GSX1400

**SixPackBack** · 13th August 2008, 19:52

Originally Posted by Mom

Best you add me then mate, cos that demonstration was nothing to boast about at all!

Watchya talkin' about willis?

Ignore list has improved my viewing pleasure immeasurably-you should try it

**beyond** · 13th August 2008, 19:55

Originally Posted by Blackbird

Nice to see us on your vid Paul (2 Blackbirds and a Busa). First time for us on this road and we were poodling along watching out for the green bits on the road when this loud GSX with an effing loud can comes flying past on a corner and none of us saw you coming! Looked bloody impressive from the back!

We did wave when you were parked up at the Kaiaua toilets, but might yet get to meet you face to face!

Cheers,

Geoff

Sorry I missed you mate. Shame you didn't stop for a chin wag. Would really like to catch up with you sometime.

**beyond** · 13th August 2008, 20:01

Originally Posted by zeocen

Anyway back to the video, can't be arsed funelling through the bad points..

Beyond, when you look through a blind corner, where is your head looking at? I have video of me doing the exact same road (albeit wet, mossy and at dusk) going 1/20th of the speed because I just can't judge blind corners due to being afraid of a car coming around across the white line and always changing where I'm looking. I don't think I'm a bad rider, I just haven't 'perfected' my cornering... but seeing you take the same roads far faster than me, it makes me think maybe I need to rethink my structure in looking into a corner..

Cheers.

PS. sorry for a valid question, here's some insults to keep the thread ontopic

Donor is a cunt! Wait, he's not even in this thread, damnit!

Some say ride to the vanishing point. You'll come to grief if you do that on public roads. Firstly wherever the road goes I'll be watching it even kilometres away to see if there are obstacles or traffic. I look ahead but constantly scan up close for potholes, tar patches, moss, wet etc or ripples that could upset your line. I'm always scanning as far as I can see and up close, calculating closing speeds and traffic movements.

In blind corners I'll swing wider to get to see around them quicker than riding too tight. I'll look as far around the corner as possible while using peripheral vision to scan up close for bad surfaces. I always prepare for the worst and are always ready to change direction and brake if necessary.

Most "close calls" from other driver errors can be easily avoided by keeping calm and collected and not panicking like hitting the brakes hard or standing the bike up.
You can easily change direction in corners on a heavy bike by countersteering and being ready to drop straight into the corner again once you have avoided the obstacle or offline motorist.

**beyond** · 13th August 2008, 20:05

Originally Posted by dipshit

Exactly. And what if the bike he passed going through the slip decided to move into the other wheel track at the last moment...???

Yeah yeah, we know beyond thinks he is real good and all that... but what is his chances of riding like that every day for the next five years without his luck running out?

The guy at the slip was a new rider. There was no way he was going to change direction or come into my wheel line when he would have to leave an excellent dry wheel track and cross a whole lot of mud to get on my track.
If he was mad enough to do that, I would have had no problem crossing mud or moving over to give him room. I don't mind spin ups or expected rear wheel slides so wouldn't have had an issue giving them room.

**Katman** · 13th August 2008, 20:07

Originally Posted by beyond

The guy at the slip was a new rider.

And that is exactly what makes your move stupid and inconsiderate.

I imagine they were concentrating fairly heavily on what they were doing. Your invasion of their space could easily have resulted in them losing control.

**beyond** · 13th August 2008, 20:11

Originally Posted by Katman

And that is exactly what makes your move stupid and inconsiderate.

??

Even new riders are supposed to check their rear view mirrors all the time.
Even when I first started riding and driving a car I was always aware of what was going on around me at any time. A prerequisite for gaining ones licence or you shouldn't be on the road aye?

**Headbanger** · 13th August 2008, 20:18

Lmao.

Katman is an extremist, You won't find any common ground to settle on.

I'd love to comment on your speeding, overtaking, and what looks to be irresponsible riding all round, But that would just make me a hypocritical bastard.

Looks to me like you know the road like the back of your hand......

**dipshit** · 13th August 2008, 20:18

Originally Posted by jrandom

Every day? You saw the vid; he'd been off the bike for six weeks. Give the man a break hey. Gotta cut a little bit loose now and then.

And, heck, that wasn't even loose.

So you wouldn't like his chances then if that was his daily commuting route and riding style?

A friend of a friend recently lost his brother a few months ago on a GSX1400. He used to commute 120ks each day. Apparently he was a bit of a hard charger and even had shift lights added to his 1400. One day however he somehow managed to fuck up a corner. A car coming the other way saw he wasn't going to make the corner and tried to pull over as far as they could to give him more room... but the bike still just clipped the car and went straight into a bank.

It really doesn't matter if you think you are good if you leave no margin for era or leave it down to luck if you get home or not. The law of averages will be against you.

**beyond** · 13th August 2008, 20:21

Originally Posted by Headbanger

Lmao.

Katman is an extremist, You won't find any common ground to settle on.

I'd love to comment on your speeding, overtaking, and what looks to be irresponsible riding all round, But that would just make me a hypocritical bastard.

Looks to me like you know the road like the back of your hand......

LOL

Yeah, I've ridden that road as many times as I can since my first bike a Suzuki Hustler 250 and then a Yamaha RD350. Used to ride these roads all the time and still do now. Love them. Apart from the Coro loop these are probably some of the best roads close to home....oh, then there's Highway 22 and and....

**Katman** · 13th August 2008, 20:22

Originally Posted by beyond

The guy at the slip was a new rider.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=79338

**Headbanger** · 13th August 2008, 20:23

Originally Posted by dipshit

So you wouldn't like his chances then if that was his daily commuting route and riding style?

A friend of a friend recently lost his brother a few months ago on a GSX1400. He used to commute 120ks each day. Apparently he was a bit of a hard charger and even had shift lights added to his 1400. One day however he somehow managed to fuck up a corner. A car coming the other way saw he wasn't going to make the corner and tried to pull over as far as they could to give him more room... but the bike still just clipped the car and went straight into a bank.

so...your point is someone you have never met and have no connection with died on a similar bike to the one used in the video?

ffs....get a fuckin grip.

**beyond** · 13th August 2008, 20:24

Originally Posted by dipshit

So you wouldn't like his chances then if that was his daily commuting route and riding style?

A friend of a friend recently lost his brother a few months ago on a GSX1400. He used to commute 120ks each day. Apparently he was a bit of a hard charger and even had shift lights added to his 1400. One day however he somehow managed to fuck up a corner. A car coming the other way saw he wasn't going to make the corner and tried to pull over as far as they could to give him more room... but the bike still just clipped the car and went straight into a bank.

It doesn't really matter if you think you good or not if you leave no margin for era or rely on luck to get you home. The law of averages will be against you.

That's sad stuff mate.

I used to commute on a bike to work, around 100,000kms covered that way I would say. I've had my share of accidents and have no intention of having another one, but again, life is full of chances and there are some lucky and some not and you don't need to be on a bike to find that out.

The closest I've come to breaking my neck in the last month is crawling down stairs in the dark after getting up for work so as not to wake the missus (something I do every morning) missing a step and taking the quicker route down. Ouch

**beyond** · 13th August 2008, 20:29

Originally Posted by Katman

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=79338

Umm, I hate riding in the dark and avoid it like the plaque if I can.
No beef Katman. Life is like it is cos we are all different and that's a good thing and makes for good threads too.
I'm sure you mean well and have different perspectives about life. Hell you might be a mountain climber and try on K2 or something that I have no intention of doing at all.

maybe we all have such wide views so that somewhere along the line we create a cosmic balance eh?

Thanks for the rep by the way.

**Mom** · 13th August 2008, 20:34

Originally Posted by beyond

??

Even new riders are supposed to check their rear view mirrors all the time.
Even when I first started riding and driving a car I was always aware of what was going on around me at any time. A prerequisite for gaining ones licence or you shouldn't be on the road aye?

And I am sure they do, eyes front, mirror left, mirror right, eyes front, check speed, corner ahead, consider gear, mirror left, mirror right, eyes front, change down, SOME CLOWN FLYS PAST!!!!!!!! scares the bejeaysus out of the rider, wobble, wobble, regain control, negotiates the corner really slowly, takes a deep breath and opens the throttle. If you approach a slower rider at speed, at least give them the benefit of inexperience and dont expect them to have your amazing ability to scan 300 things at the same time and still travel at speed.