Discussion on Mentor Programme

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

Foookin ek, how much ranting and raving has gone on, on one subject in such a small amount of time!!!!!
Put simply isnt it about imparting knowledge? And an attempt at sourcing people that are happy to and can do it competently?

I'd hazard a guess that everyone on here didnt just wake up one morning, shot down the bike shop and bought a motorbike without talking to someone they knew had some knowledge of biking first. I started riding bikes as a kid in schoolboy motorcross.....I was like a bloody sponge!! I listened to anyone that was willing to talk to me. Ok some of the tips and tricks didnt work for me but most did, the point is I sort out this information and 'some' people were happy to give it. I think that point should be if an individual is looking for help, advice, tips and the opportunity to learn from another, then a scheme that has gone at least some way to establishing the people that person is introduced to can fulfill his/her need can only be a good thing.

I'll sit back now and expect the above to get taken apart

[Morcs]

Ok dude--Not having a go at ya here BUT--Ok You have highlighted a possible issue.
In your opinion what is the solution?

I dont think there is one, except let nature take its course - you ask (or are given) advice by someone, and its there choice whether to take it.

Common sense is required of course, If someone is handing out advise which is dangerous, 9.9/10 someone who had half a brain cell and a bit of common sense would see straight through it.

Just like if anyone was actually stupid enough to put crc onto a brake disk, then they are probably too stupid to ride motorcycle.

[MSTRS:Me]

Foookin ek, how much ranting and raving has gone on, on one subject in such a small amount of time!!!!!
Put simply isnt it about imparting knowledge? And an attempt at sourcing people that are happy to and can do it competently?

...some stuff that may not apply now that the internet exists...

I'll sit back now and expect the above to get taken apart

You, sir, have succinctly summed up the whole thing. Put simply, there is no plot to take over the world or to tell them to do it 'our way'. A whole raft of people with different skills and outlooks will be 'on tap' for those that want help. That help could be anything...but if 'fast' on the road is asked for, do not expect the current crop of mentors to be interested in helping with that. Smooth and safe, now, that's different...and normally leads to faster on average. Which is not 'fast', as Ixion seems to believe.

[Morcs]

Half the people nominated havent experienced everything to be able to mentor.

To be be able to teach someone where the line is, you yourself must've crossed it and come back many times.

Most of the do gooders have never crossed a line in their life - gone sideways, nearly planting the front wheel through a cars back windscreen, flipping a bike, lowsiding , highsiding etc..

hell ive experienced every kind of bike failure and dealt with it. Ive broken almost every road rule, and crashed in everyway possible. Experienced every heart stopping 'oh fuck' moment.
I commute briskly 75km through auckland rush hour everyday. Do touring, trackdays and sunny sunday fangs.
and im still alive.

Ive got more to teach than half of the 20+years riders.

Of course this is where the system works, as I dont have the right attitude to 'mentor'

My point is, having the right attitude to take someone under their wing and guide them and have the allround experience like i mentioned above - there arent many people like that. I can only think of 2 straight away - Noel and Frosty.

[Katman]

Ive got more to teach than half of the 20+years riders.

Lets see if you're still around in 20+ years.

[Kickaha]

Most of the do gooders have never crossed a line in their life - gone sideways, nearly planting the front wheel through a cars back windscreen, flipping a bike, lowsiding , highsiding etc..

hell ive experienced every kind of bike failure and dealt with it. Ive broken almost every road rule, and crashed in everyway possible. Experienced every heart stopping 'oh fuck' moment.

Sounds like you're slow learner with not much idea what mentoring is about

[Jantar]

...... Ive broken almost every road rule, and crashed in everyway possible. ....
Ive got more to teach than half of the 20+years riders. ....

if we ever get any requests from a newbie who wants to learn how to crash, then we'll know were to direct them.

[yungatart]

Half the people nominated havent experienced everything to be able to mentor.

To be be able to teach someone where the line is, you yourself must've crossed it and come back many times.

Most of the do gooders have never crossed a line in their life - gone sideways, nearly planting the front wheel through a cars back windscreen, flipping a bike, lowsiding , highsiding etc..

hell ive experienced every kind of bike failure and dealt with it. Ive broken almost every road rule, and crashed in everyway possible. Experienced every heart stopping 'oh fuck' moment.
I commute briskly 75km through auckland rush hour everyday. Do touring, trackdays and sunny sunday fangs.
and im still alive.

Ive got more to teach than half of the 20+years riders.

Of course this is where the system works, as I dont have the right attitude to 'mentor'

My point is, having the right attitude to take someone under their wing and guide them and have the allround experience like i mentioned above - there arent many people like that. I can only think of 2 straight away - Noel and Frosty.

Most of the situations you describe could have been avoided in the first place, if only you had had a decent mentor.

[Morcs]

Lets see if you're still around in 20+ years.

Yes, lets. Seriously.

Sounds like you're slow learner with not much idea what mentoring is about

if we ever get any requests from a newbie who wants to learn how to crash, then we'll know were to direct them.

both of you are missing my point. I wouldve expected a better insight from both of you.

Most of the situations you describe could have been avoided in the first place, if only you had had a decent mentor.

My point being, you learn better by making mistakes yourself, rather than someone wrapping you in cotton wool and telling you about them.

I avoid a lot of situations everyday. but you are far more highly qualified to react to one if it arises if youve already been there, rather than trying to put into practice what a text book or an old man told you.

[James Deuce]

And so the pissing contest part of the debate began......

[yungatart]

You do it your way, I'll do it mine.

Being mentored, learning how to avoid hazards and from others mistakes has to be far less painful than finding out the hard way.

But good on you, whatever floats your boat...

[James Deuce]

(snip) whatever floats your boat...

Probably the monumental pissing contest.

[justsomeguy]

NO I wanna be a mentor - I have more experience than Morcs in what not to do.

I know more people on KB than he does.

I am far sexier than him.

You need adequate minority representation, I only see honkies being nominated, vere is ze bleckman??

I will accept any sexy girl as my mentoree, not only single ones.

I can piss 10 meters straight standing up.



P.S: Don't see why this thread isn't closed... dunno what more shit there is to talk.

[Ixion]

if we ever get any requests from a newbie who wants to learn how to crash, then we'll know were to direct them.

Quite seriuously, that is a very important thing to teach any newbie. Preferably, off road, it's softer and less other moving objects.

Be the rider ever so prudent experienced and careful, every so often the Biker Gods will decide to shit on someone. So if things do go irretrievably pear shaped, knowing how to minimise the damage (to bike and body) is important. Moreover,such experience helps with keeping a clear head at the moment of crisis. In which respect Mr Morc's point is valid: someone who has "been there" is probably going to have a better chance of getting out of it next time. At least they know what DIDN'T work. A hell of a lot of riders crash when they don't need to simply because when the shit hits the fan they either panic or freeze up. The typical reaction is just to hit the brakes and pray, usually NOT the best reaction.

No amount of theoretical training or good advice can substitute for reality. You don't have TIME to THINK about what to do, it has to come immediatelt, instinctively and right, first time. Which means it has to be learned way deeper than the teaching level, down at muscle memory level, so that your body automatically does the right thing, even before your brain has got to the "wha-- wot woz THAT" stage.

Every newbie SHOULD learn how to crash. Just don't do it on the public road.

[SixPackBack]

NO I wanna be a mentor - I have more experience than Morcs in what not to do.

I know more people on KB than he does.

I am far sexier than him.

You need adequate minority representation, I only see honkies being nominated, vere is ze bleckman??

I will accept any sexy girl as my mentoree, not only single ones.

I can piss 10 meters straight standing up.

P.S: Don't see why this thread isn't closed... dunno what more shit there is to talk.

10 meters you say!?....holy fuck bro' $10 sez you could piss further than any other mentor......