Who wants to help scam a scammer with me?? + Heads up.

[racefactory]

Hi guys,

I'm selling my TZR. Put it on trademe not long ago. Couple days ago, decided to put it on trade and exchange just because I've sold a lot of stuff through it in the past and haven't listed anything for a long time.


On the first day of listing, I received an email from some chap- email as follows:

from royphlips@yahoo.com

Hello seller,
Goodday to you,i am roy.i am have an interest with your motor bike,and i will like to know if it is still available for sales?if yes i will like you to mail me back with the general condition of it also if the pictures of it is available i will like to have some of the pictures send along with the last price of the motorbike.
thanks
i will wait to read more about the items .
roy phlips

roy

- My impressions were that the bloke did not speak english well. My response:

{Hello Roy,

Yes, the bike is still for sale. I have only just put the add up in
fact. The condition of the bike is great. It really looks good. Just
a couple of marks on the fuel tank like any bike of this age. It is in
excellent condition.

I will send you some pictures of the bike shortly.

Final price is $4100. The other price of $3800 was a mistake I am afraid.

Cheers,

trademe900}

- I did not know that you could not change the price and edit your auction after submitting. I intended on that latter figure as the reserve price. Email looked- how do you say it... fucked.

Tonight I just received this email-

{ Thank you for your mail,i am very happy to read from you,since the car is in good condition that is okay by me and i am okay with the final asking price, i will like to made the payment via certified cashier cheque or moneay order which will be easily get cashed by you so i will like you to get back to me with the following details for the next step.
Name....?
Address....?
City...?
Zip code...?
country...?
Phone number...?
i will wait to read from you for the next step. }

- Car? Country? Doesn't need pics anymore? Fucking scammer I thought. Going to try and get me to try and use a false paypal type account and ship the bike off. Now- I know this may happen on ebay and the likes... but TRADE AND EXCHANGE????

Instantly I thought back to the time i had read about that famous ''Apple powerbook G4 scam'' http://www.zug.com/pranks/powerbook/ (insanely good read!) . What these guys managed to do was send the scammer a fucking hilariously shitty MODEL of a Apple powerbook and make this dude pay BIG bucks for import tax. Completely screwed him over- even got right into the scammers own property to witness him receive the piece of shit!

Does anyone want to have some fun and try something here?

What happens with motorcycle importing? What happens in regards to taxes and fees for the importer?

I haven't replied back to the email yet.

A heads up to anybody who might come across this guy... Don't trade with him! I know kb members would probably spot it shortly before anything happened, but just incase . Would absolutely hate to see someone fucked over on here... i've known someone who got done big time.

Cheers.

[FROSTY:Me]

um dude --I wouldnt normally do this but check this out

This Auto Trader New Zealand user has an enquiry:
Recipient: Millars Car Centre Ltd
ID: 6241
Year: 1996
Make: TOYOTA
Model: IPSUM
Stock Number: 134
Rego: BHT173
Price: 4,995.00
Email: michamx21@yahoo.com
Contact Number: 0000000000
Message:
Good-Day,

Top of the Day !!!
I just want to make more inquiries about your placed advert ..
1. Do you still have it for sale ?
2. State least price ?
3. Can i have more details about it ?
4. Can you please provide for me some of it present pictures ?
Let me know if you still have it for sale and the selling price and also some pictures of it. Need details about it's present position & condition. Hope to hear back from you soonest.
I will be waiting in earnest for the required details.

Best Regards

yup another scammer

[racefactory]

Wow?? did not expect to see this from NZ. Thought this kind of thing was only on ebay. i was pretty alarmed when it was trade and exchange!!!

Oh well! Guess they are crawling everywhere...

[n0regret5]

i found an ad on motorcycletrader a little while ago (funnily enough it's not there any more), guy selling a 2005 cbr1000rr repsol with arrow full exhaust, wanted $6500. i was like..too good to be true. so i emailed the guy, got back something along the lines of (and once again in poorly written broken english);

'yes sir the bike is for sale, it has (something less than 10000kms), arrow full exhaust and (bla bla other additions..wish i hadn't deleted the email now)'

and then tries to tell me that in order to get the bike, i have to pay the money into a third party account, which is held while i inspect the bike, then if i don't like it i get the money back, and if i do he gets the money. i replied

'no thanks. i'm not stupid enough to hand over that much money without seeing the bike in front of me and having the key in my hand.'

he got really shitty with me and told me it was the deal of a lifetime. yeh...for him! cunt. i hate scammers, i'd join you if i wasn't trying to be terribly good while the guy who hit me gets sentenced..don't wanna miss out on that reparation!!

[Oakie]

This may be the scam where they send you too much money, ask for you to send the difference back but at the same time they cancel their payment.

[-df-]

Let us know if you do end up scamming the scammer...love reading that sort of stuff

[Strang0r]

I've had the same thing on Trade and Exchange... infact I've stopped using the online side of it completely because I can't be bothered with that crap...

[barty5]

Hers one i got the other day replied back with $$ not head back as yet they dont care what $$ you give them idea is they pay you then pay you for the shipping you then pay the shipping cost to fr8 company they come up with (which is fake ) normally they want a money order. No one will ever pick up the item and payment made from stolen c/card will be rejected by the bank its from your out off pocket for the shipping costs.

Message:
Hello my name is Lee and will like to know if you sell Car Battery if yes
then kindly get back to me with the prices on them.....hope to hear from you
soon. Mr Lee

From: me
Subject: Re: Message from Yellow Online - Order enquiry..
To: mromash@yahoo.com
Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 9:49 PM

yes we do will need to make model year etc etc

Aaron

His reply

Thank you for the reply and will like you to know that this is are the things i want to order below :

Year: 2000 Make: bmw Model: 540i

Year: 2004 Make: BMW Model: M3 Coupe

Year : 2003 Make : BMW Model : 330

Year:2005 Make: BMW Model: 330i

This are what i want to order above can you get that for me? if yes the kinly get back to me with the prices on it and if not the kindly get back to me with the prices on the best 5 you have instock.....hope to hear from you soon.

Mr Lee

it normally the yahoo.com email address that gives it away

[racefactory]

Oh ok i haven't heard of that one.

The scary thing is... if they put just a bit into improving their english and awareness- they could get away with so many more of these!

I might go read up about importing/exporting bikes and see what there is to play with. Could be fun. If anyone knows anything as such... tell!

[Griffin]

Even if they wrote perfect grammatical engrish - I think my eyes would open wide at the thought of someone overseas wanting to buy my bike or car. Its not often you hear of cars / bikes being exported from NZ with the exception of rare / classic vehicles and owners who take theirs with them.

When it comes to a scammer... if you agreed to sell your [whatever] and they paid an agreed amount to your account, is it considered fraud or a crime if you dont send them the goods? considering their intentions were criminal in the first place, its not like they could do anything about it... is it?

[sidecar bob]

If you want some ideas on how to screw these guys over, Check this site, The E mails between parties are posted up, Some are hilarious, In fact, one guy got the scammer to pay him money eventually.
http://www.whatsthebloodypoint.com/

[avgas]

Simple reply i do now is....

"Certainly, I am based in New Zealand - however this is not a problem as i can FEDEX the product to you now. Simply wire feed me the funds via western union - and tell me the transactions number. Once i have collected 50% of the funds (do this over 2 transactions) i will FEDEX you the product (i will require you 9 digit fedex account number for this)."

If that doesn't scare them off then it gets more exciting.

[Muppet]

I was emailed by some scammer tosser from when I sold my last bike. My email to him/her/them included the words "...I suggest you go fuck yourself wanker..." and that was the end of it. If there is a next time I'm going to string them along, much more fun

[avgas]

Dear Friend,

Please do not be offended if this message comes to you as I ought to have sought your consent and approval before e-mailing this proposal I acted as I did due to the importance and urgency of this business. Which ever way you may look at it, let it please you to respond quickly either negatively or positively.

I am Barrister P. Benson, personal attorney to Mr F.W. Farr,a national of supposedly your country who used to work with Shell Development Company in Lome Togo a contract Staff and who was also instrumental to the construction of the International Cement Company, Lome. Hereinafter shall be referred to as my client for over ten years. On the 21st of October, 2005, my client, his wife and their only daughter, were involved in a car accident along Nouvissi express Road on holidays to Karra while driving their personal car. Unfortunately, all occupants of the vehicle lost their lives. As his lawyer,

I was contacted and all necessary burial arrangements were made and the remains of the family buried in the public cementary. Since then I have made several enquiries to the Swedish embassy here and others to locate any of my clients either blood families or the extended relations. My concerted search proved abbortive. After these several unsuccessful attempts and as the last resort,I decided to track his last name over the Internet, to see if I will be lucky to locate any member of his family, hence I contacted you. Perhaps, you may not be related to him but it behoves on us to seize this golden opportunity to salvage his savings since I could not locate any relation of his either dead or alive.

I have in my records his documents where he left behind the sum of Ten million United States of American dollars (US$10 million) in a Bank.I have contacted you to assist me in repartriating this fund left behind by my client before it gets confisicated or declared unserviceable by the Bank where this huge amount was deposited. The Bank has issued me a notice to provide the next of kin or have his account confisicated within the next twenty one official working days as the policy of the bank is to overrun over three years of unserviceable and dormant accounts.They have a veritable excuse as they knew that my client was dead.Since I have been unsuccesfull in locating the relations all this while, I seek your consent to present you as the next of kin to the deceased since you have the same last (surnames) names. This is to enable us salvage the proceeds of his account and get it paid to you instead. I have this obssession that if the directors of the Bank confiscated the money, it might not be put into proper and useful ventures to benefit the poor masses of this world.

I wish to use part of my share to donate to charitable organisations and churches. Therefore, should this proposal appeal to you and on receipt of your positive response, we shall then discuss the sharing ratio and modalities for transfer.I have all necessary information needed to back you up for the claim.

All I needed is a willing foreigner who will be honest, trustworthy and transperant both in business and spirit with his or her unalloyed co-operation to enable us see this transaction through. I guarantee that this will be executed under legitimate arrangements that will protect you from any breach of the law.
Please get in touch with me by E- Mail address. You can request my phone number for further discussion on this..

Thanks and have my best regards.

PETER BENSON.


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Sounds interesting, however my experience in this states the best way to retrieve the cash is simply to do face to face transactions with the banks. This is due to the banks not accepting wire feed transfers.
Which bank should i contact, and do you have a contact person within the bank.
I shall book tickets as soon as they are available.
Regards
Stew
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[avgas]

Dear Stewart Farr,

Top of the day and thank you very much for your swift response. The contents were understood.

As previously informed you, I contacted you in this transaction for our mutual benefit and for a lasting business relationship with, having made unsuccessful attempts upon my several enquiries to locate any of my clients extended relatives. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to contact you as you have the same last name with him.

Let it be mentioned for the sake of record that this our mutual benefit transaction is 100% risk free as all the necessary documents needed in a transaction of this nature will duly and legally be issued and obtained in your name and favour.

Please understand that I am an adult with family only thinking of how to establish the legacy for my children and that is exactly why I am contacting you in this business.

Let me go straight to explain more on the event that led to this before I expatiate on the project proper.Mr. Fredericks W.Farr was a big customer of the Bank. He operated a coded account with the Bank before he died on a motor accident on the 21st October 2005, along with his wife their only daughter.

You must understand that in the Financial institution opportunities like this are common but not heard. People put their monies in Financial institutions and some of these accounts are either coded or confidentially operated, therefore, when such people die what do you think that happens to these monies when nobody comes for their claims? Well, this is one of the numerous avenues monies are made within and amongst the Financial institution management.

In fact, Mr. Fredericks W.Farr was one of my best clients and I did not mastermind his death and I did not operate or manage his account. I did all I could to locate his real relatives and was unsuccessful. It was after the unsuccessful attempts to locate his real relatives that I then came to remember his informing me of his early live and experiences.

Normally, when something like this happens in Financial institution it is reported to the management. The Management can only wait for two years for a next of kin to show up without publishing it or making it public because of false claimants must definitely show up.

Therefore, it is not published and the respective Financial institution only informs the customers attorney as the case may be and then only waits for the real heir to show up as the availability of such funds are expected to be in the late "customer's will" which would be the only source of knowledge of it by anybody who is entitled to such estate. So the Bank gives two years for this, and if no claimant comes forward then the Management sends the money to the Debt Re-conversion Department and the account is closed. Now the question is, who runs the Debt Re-conversion Department and who is the Management? The answer is simple. The Chairman, Managing Director and Board Members.These are individuals and these monies are shared by them and nobody asks questions, period. In fact, these issues are not even discussed outside board meetings.

To explain myself properly, I am not a board member and of course, I am not part of the Management and I do not work with the Bank. I am not rich, therefore, if I have this opportunity and throw it to the wolves, then I must be the "stupidest" the most "foolish-man" that has ever lived. I have fully put everything in place and since this is an opportunity open to anybody, I do not see anything wrong in what I am doing as long as I am not hurting who should not be hurt period. I can only tell you that it is just destiny that brought us together.

I am quite sure of what I am doing that is why I am committing myself in this project because I know what the catch is and it's worth, and that is why my life and entire career is involved in this transaction in making it a success .The procedure of establishing the next of kin would be taken care of.

I am a legal Practitioner and the principal partner of Dadvi Chambers, with registered office address at 144 Michael Ave, Lome-Togo. I was the late Mr. Fredericks W.Farr personal attorney as earlier informed you. As previously informed you also,after unsuccessful attempts to locate the real relatives of my late client, I resorted to independent search and by divine inspiration I got your contact. The truth remains that you are not the real relative of my late client, but for the fact that he has the same last/surname like you, you can with my aid as his personal lawyer be approved by the Bank as his next of kin because I have all the secret information that are contained in this security file jacket with the Bank that will facilitate that. It is only myself that knows that you are not the real relative. Unfortunately my late client did not have any Will before his sudden death. Although he had earlier notified me of that in the near future.

It is therefore with absolute confidence that I wish to inform you more of the details of this transaction of great mutual benefit. Now be advised my friend that in line with my operational master plan for the success of this our mutual benefit business, what you are required to do now is to tender an application to the Bank as next of kin to this deceased customer putting claim over his balance with the Bank. This application will be written on your letter headed paper or otherwise, then fax to the Bank for immediate action and processing to start.

As soon as they receive this application, documentation for the claim will automatically start.It will be tendered to the Board of Directors of the Bank for approval.

As soon as the approval is obtained, you will be issued an approval letter, approving your application as the next of kin/sole beneficiary to the deceased. Business starts from there. You will also notify the Bank in your application that you wish your deceased cousin's fund inherited and transferred into your designated account as you will state in the application.

For being involved in this transaction, I have therefore resolved to offer you 40% of the total sum as gratification in helping me champion this business. 50% will be for myself while 10% will be used to take care of the settlement of all expenses that might come up in the course of this transaction as soon as the fund is into your Bank account. Please, understand that I put so many things into consideration before offering you this 40% and I do hope that it will be appreciated.

Therefore what you are expected to do now is to prepare an application letter as next of kin to the deceased customer, putting claim over his balance with this Bank and wanting his balance be transferred directly into your designated account.

As soon as you give me your hands of co-operation, I will send to you the specimen of the text of application you will send to the Bank and this transaction will commence immediately.

Please as you reply, let me have the following information which I will use to draft the claim application and also for documentations of the probate processes if you make up your mind to co-perate with me for our mutual benefit.

The information are :

1.Your date of birth...........
2.Your full contact address.......... (Home and office)
3.Your private telephone and fax numbers...........
4.Marital status...............

Looking forward to hearing from you.

For further clarifications feel free to call me on my direct number 00228-907-1250.

My regards to you and your family and God bless.

Peter Benson,Esq.