Annoying Christian sayings

[yod]

so hard to answer all the qusions cant spell well enuff or fast enuff

that's ok, you seem to be able to copy and paste pretty well

[Ixion]

Firstly, who are you to say that you understand God?

Don't think anyone can understand God. Never met anyone who could even understand ordinary women.

[Slyer]

Yeah, word of advice mate, don't attack evolution. It is a very well documented fact now and you will be crushed by an endless pile of strong evidence.

[blue eyed savage]

Because species that look after each other survive better than ones that don't. Humans, like apes and other mammals are really vulnerable for the first stages of their life and if our ancestors didn't help each other out we wouldn't be here today.
Many many of our desires are ones that help us to survive as a species. The desire to eat, drink, have sex, help others etc.
We can also be very violent as in the past if there were two tribes, one violent and one pacifist, the violent one would kill off the pacifist tribe and so only the violent one would be left to reproduce and continue the species.
This is a very simplified explanation and not perfect.

In summary, all of our good/bad qualities exist a result of them helping us survive.

Sorry for branching out into all these topics. But posting on here with such topics is almost as fun as a good ride!
"Many many of our desires are ones that help us to survive as a species"
As a christian i have a moral problem with homosexuals. I understand you are arguing that morals are simply a part of life and a mechanism "helping us survive". How does being a homo help anyone survive?
And i dint want to be to presumptuous, but since your taking a stand against God i suspect you believe in evolution/natural selection.
Natural selection is survival of the fittest, so why "survive as a species" - natural selection does not work at this level - it favors individuals that exhibit traits that enables better survival in a given environment.

Perhaps we should choose a more clear cut moral issue before preceding. Your call

[Slyer]

so hitler was right then? kill the weak and inferior

Hitler was indeed correct, if your aim is to make humanity the strongest it can be then killing off the weak is a good idea.
He did however go about it in completely the wrong way and is still an asshole.

Hitler is only "right" if you share the same goals as him.

[Sanx]

Yeah, word of advice mate, don't attack evolution. It is a very well documented fact now and you will be crushed by an endless pile of strong evidence.

I disagree. It's still a theory, but given of the alternatives, it's the only one that stands up to scientific examination and the only one for which there is evidence. But it hasn't been proved it yet.

[yod]

Sorry for branching out into all these topics. But posting on here with such topics is almost as fun as a good ride!
"Many many of our desires are ones that help us to survive as a species"
As a christian i have a moral problem with homosexuals. I understand you are arguing that morals are simply a part of life and a mechanism "helping us survive". How does being a homo help anyone survive?
And i dint want to be to presumptuous, but since your taking a stand against God i suspect you believe in evolution/natural selection.
Natural selection is survival of the fittest, so why "survive as a species" - natural selection does not work at this level - it favors individuals that exhibit traits that enables better survival in a given environment.

Perhaps we should choose a more clear cut moral issue before preceding. Your call

so who is now posting on your behalf?

[blue eyed savage]

my flat mate same age as me (has the zxr 250)

[Slyer]

Sorry for branching out into all these topics. But posting on here with such topics is almost as fun as a good ride!
"Many many of our desires are ones that help us to survive as a species"
As a christian i have a moral problem with homosexuals. I understand you are arguing that morals are simply a part of life and a mechanism "helping us survive". How does being a homo help anyone survive?
And i dint want to be to presumptuous, but since your taking a stand against God i suspect you believe in evolution/natural selection.
Natural selection is survival of the fittest, so why "survive as a species" - natural selection does not work at this level - it favors individuals that exhibit traits that enables better survival in a given environment.

Perhaps we should choose a more clear cut moral issue before preceding. Your call

Natural selection only works with traits that you can pass on to your children, it still unclear what causes homosexuality but we do know that it is not genetic as the children of homosexuals are just as unlikely to be gay as anyone else.

[Slyer]

I disagree. It's still a theory, but given of the alternatives, it's the only one that stands up to scientific examination and the only one for which there is evidence. But it hasn't been proved it yet.

If you are talking scientifically yes, it is a theory and no amount of evidence could ever make it more than a theory. Theory is the highest it can go, gravity is a theory afterall.
But when we are talking in everyday language it is essentially a fact, the same as how gravity is a fact.

In scientific usage, a theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. It originates from or is supported by rigorous observations in the natural world, or by experimental evidence (see scientific method). In this sense, a theory is a systematic and formalized expression of all previous observations, and is predictive, logical, and testable. In principle, scientific theories are always tentative, and subject to corrections, inclusion in a yet wider theory, or succession.

[kickingzebra]

seriously, get an education.


try anthropology and/or geology, I found them really interesting

I am really pleased to see you have studied these arts...


So can I get fries with that??

[kickingzebra]

You'd have been fucked then, wouldn't you.

Yeah, but so would you, cause he would have killed the slow too...

[blue eyed savage]

If you are talking scientifically yes, it is a theory and no amount of evidence could ever make it more than a theory. Theory is the highest it can go, gravity is a theory afterall.
But when we are talking in everyday language it is essentially a fact, the same as how gravity is a fact.

I agree with your post above about homo's and it not being genetic, good point.
" gravity is a theory afterall." Gravity is a Quantifiable and measurable force. On earth at sea level it is measured at ~9.8meters per second per second (acceleration). Sometimes my ZXR feels like its going faster than that (i know it isnt lol).
Both creation and evolution give an account for what happened when time began. Since non of us were there, we can not come to a 100% conclusion.
Evolution requires forces to act against entropy. We could also have a look at our DNA being digital codes....
Yep, the christian answer is awesomely convenient - God just made it all. It is much easier to believe than evolution. Once you break it down, all the chances of it randomly occurring, the anthropic principal etc, it takes like (guess) 10 times more faith to believe in cellular evolution (information gain at a cellular level) as an explanation for life than it does to believe in God and the way he just busted out the universe!


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"But when we are talking in everyday language it is essentially a fact, the same as how gravity is a fact."
Yep, there is widespread acceptance of evolution in teh scientific community, just like there is widespread beliefe of santa by under-10s. I know thats a bit of a low blow, but you are appealing to the argument 'everyone else does it so it must be right'. Which bridge are we jumping off here?....lol
My point is there is a big difference between what you call "essentially a fact" and gravity being a fact.

[yod]

I am really pleased to see you have studied these arts...


So can I get fries with that??

arts papers? ah no, you'll find them in the college of sciences

and incidentally, i've never cooked fries in my life

it's nice to have an education, i know stuff, and i get paid for it

[Sanx]

Moses laid down the law, which was near impossible to satisfy. Jesus came and furfilled the law, made it complete, so that it no longer condems us.

Sheesh. Have you actually read that work of fiction you like so much? Moses didn't lay down the law. God did, inscribed the ten commandments on some tablets and gave them to Moses. He, with Aaron, then went about (mis)interpreting them. But plenty of laws had been laid down by god before that, and plenty since.

Jesus said the sabbith was made for man, man was not made for the sabbith. this breaks it down a bit.
the http://www.wcg.org/lit/law/sabbath/mark227.htm

so yes, that basically is one of the bits we are not meant to take to seriously. As in, humans will have a better quality of life if they live by the law which says take a break for a day a week.

Oh ... so god got it wrong the first time around, and then clarified himself a few thousand years later. But I thought god was meant to be infallible?

"The perfect indictment of Christianity ..."
That would be dead right if i used what you quoted as an excuse to "do whatever the fuck I want". But i dont use it as a license to sin, and indeed, its pretty sad when people do. When you genuinely accept the 'get out of jail free' card that Jesus is dishing out, peopel are so stoaked that they put in a real effort to stop pissing God off (sinning).

So - you have a get out of jail free card, and that makes you want to use it less? That makes sense.

Yep, the christian answer is awesomely convenient - God just made it all. It is much easier to believe than evolution. Once you break it down, all the chances of it randomly occurring, the anthropic principal etc, it takes like (guess) 10 times more faith to believe in cellular evolution (information gain at a cellular level) as an explanation for life than it does to believe in God and the way he just busted out the universe!

It makes it easier to believe when you fail to consider the fundamental questions such an explanation raises, like: if god created the world, where did god come from?