Police ignore High Court judge.

[Bikernereid]

Let them erode my right to do what precisely?
Speed and then not pay a fine when you get caught?
Or did you mean clog up the justice system that tax payers are supporting with bogus claims of innocence so that the country ends up financing an ineffective system?

if the powers that be do not know how to close a legal loophole why shouldn't people make the most of it!!

I got off a £60 ($150) parking ticket because the numpty had written it for a year in advance. If that person can't do their job properly then so be it, I will make the most of it and save myself some cash!!

[swbarnett]

& dont dissapear & be a burden on your fellow taxpayer or insurance payer,

How is someone that simply exceeded the posted speed limit a burden on their fellow tax payer?

[tommorth]

weasel weasel weasel lol fuck thats a funny word

[awayatc]

Let them erode my right to do what precisely?
Speed and then not pay a fine when you get caught?
Or did you mean clog up the justice system that tax payers are supporting with bogus claims of innocence so that the country ends up financing an ineffective system?

It's a game isn't it? We are not talking about murder or tax evasion.....
You get punished for breaking the rules.....but since I did not make those rules, I will grab every little bit of advantage those rules allow me.....

After all that is the name of the game isn't it....?

[Winston001]

As the Police have chosen to ignore a High Court judge, .....

In the Christchurch High Court, Justice John Hansen – Climate Zone Holdings Ltd v Police, 28/02/2008.

(Justice Hansen) That, of course, as is conceded by the crown, is completely wrong. What is required .........One can only hope that it is immediately corrected.”


The Police chose to ignore these recommendations.


........(and will also delay any demerit points and reduce the time they apply for, demerit points are not applied until a fine is paid).

etc...


Don't forget to donate any savings to kiwibiker.

Good on you for drawing our attention to this. Whether any individual wants to pursue your advice is for each to choose. Just a couple of matters:

Justice Hansen's words appear to be obiter which means they are kind of legal musings, thinking aloud, but he is not making a ruling that the tickets are illegal and unenforceable. They could be - but that isn't exactly what he is saying.

The other point is that once a conviction is entered, the demerit points are imposed on your licence from the date of the offence - not the date of conviction. So even if it is a year later, the points fall on the day you were issued the TON = Traffic Offence Notice.

[Max Preload]

Let them erode my right to do what precisely?
Speed and then not pay a fine when you get caught?
Or did you mean clog up the justice system that tax payers are supporting with bogus claims of innocence so that the country ends up financing an ineffective system?

Victimless 'crime' (it's not even a crime - it's an infringement on a regulation). Don't confuse what we have with a 'justice' system either - it's nothing of the sort. The people who are targeted are those who can afford it, not those who deserve it.

Perhaps you and the other apathetic ones (one of which I see has red rep'd me for my earlier post ) should familiarise yourselves with Martin Niemoeller's poem "First they came for...".

[Cruisin' Craig]

Victimless 'crime' (it's not even a crime - it's an infringement on a regulation). Don't confuse what we have with a 'justice' system either - it's nothing of the sort. The people who are targeted are those who can afford it, not those who deserve it.

Perhaps you and the other apathetic ones (one of which I see has red rep'd me for my earlier post ) should familiarise yourselves with Martin Niemoeller's poem "First they came for...".

Firstly, not agreeing with your argument is not the same as being apathetic. I would be apathetic if I agreed with you and STILL didn't do anything.

Second, whether or not you like the justice system has nothing to do with whether it's O.K to break the law and then dick the police AND ministry of justice around (at the expense of the taxpayers dollars) rather than accept some modicum of responsibility.

[sidecar bob]

How is someone that simply exceeded the posted speed limit a burden on their fellow tax payer?

They are not a burden by simply exceeding the speed limit, it is when they tie up countless hours of public servants time on a pointless & expensive paper trail that they become a burden.
No doubt you are the same people that bleat your asses off about the taxation rate, or dont you understand how that works either?
Im more than a little surprised that people are happy to put their hand up in this day & age & proudly admit to not taking responsibility for their actions.
I thought that kind of behaviour stopped somwhere between the ages of six & eight.

[Max Preload]

...whether it's speeding or banging into someone's car in a carpark, you come clean & take it on the chin & don't disappear & be a burden on your fellow taxpayer or insurance payer, otherwise you become a weasel.

Two completely different things. In the case of banging into someones car, there's a victim. Do you post in your cash every time you don't signal for the full 4 seconds prior to a lane change?

[awayatc]

Firstly, not agreeing with your argument is not the same as being apathetic. I would be apathetic if I agreed with you and STILL didn't do anything.

Second, whether or not you like the justice system has nothing to do with whether it's O.K to break the law and then dick the police AND ministry of justice around (at the expense of the taxpayers dollars) rather than accept some modicum of responsibility.

The number of tickets issued for minor speeding offenses in New Zealand has skyrocketed. In 2001, there were just 311 tickets issued to motorists accused of driving between 4 and 6 km per hour over the limit. Last year, that number grew to 34,651 with a total of NZD $46.5 million (US $32.3 million) collected from all speeding fines.

"The huge ticket rise has the smell of quotas about it," National Party Police Spokesman Chester Borrows said in a statement.

Figures show that while the number of tickets issued for minor violations has increased, the number of tickets issued for serious violations has dropped 35 percent.


Appears to be a very profitable racket......

taxpayer is being robbed allright....

[fireliv]

Good advice


On s side note, if you get an INFRINGEMENT (excess speed etc) and you contest it in court and get found prove, make sure the Justices of the Peace only chage you $30 court costs. If there try and charge you $130 this is grounds for an appeal or rehearing.
However if you have a CHARGE (careless driving etc) then its $130. If you have never been in trouble before, and the driving charge you get brought in on doesnt have a mandatory disqalification peroid, then you may be elgiable for diversion, so make sure you check it out

[Max Preload]

Second, whether or not you like the justice system has nothing to do with whether it's O.K to break the law and then dick the police AND ministry of justice around (at the expense of the taxpayers dollars) rather than accept some modicum of responsibility.

Speeding is not against the law.

[Cruisin' Craig]

The number of tickets issued for minor speeding offenses in New Zealand has skyrocketed. In 2001, there were just 311 tickets issued to motorists accused of driving between 4 and 6 km per hour over the limit. Last year, that number grew to 34,651 with a total of NZD $46.5 million (US $32.3 million) collected from all speeding fines.

"The huge ticket rise has the smell of quotas about it," National Party Police Spokesman Chester Borrows said in a statement.

Figures show that while the number of tickets issued for minor violations has increased, the number of tickets issued for serious violations has dropped 35 percent.


Appears to be a very profitable racket......

taxpayer is being robbed allright....

I'd like to point out that fairly recently the police started ticketing for speed in excess of 5km/h above the limit near schools and kindergartens (which I support), so it follows that minor infringement notices should have gone up dramatically as a result. But that's a minor point.

I'd also like to point out that more tickets for minor violations doesn't necessarily mean police are trying to rip people off. It might just be that they are doing a better job than they used to.

Why has tickets issued for major violations dropped? Is it because a greater police presence on the road has reduced major infringements? Or is it because people are just getting away with it? There's a great deal that your figures don't say, and I think it would be a mistake to read much into them without doing a lot of reading first.

Here's a graph that tells a pretty straightforward story though. And as long as police effort is having this kind of positive result I support what they are doing, and I don't support people who speed, get caught, and won't even pay their fine in spite of what the police are trying to do.

It really all comes down to a sense of social responsibility. It is not, as some believe, a game to see how much you can get away with.

[swbarnett]

They are not a burden by simply exceeding the speed limit, it is when they tie up countless hours of public servants time on a pointless & expensive paper trail that they become a burden.

Yes, I see your point. However, I think the politicians that made such pointless laws in the first place must share some of the blame.

No doubt you are the same people that bleat your asses off about the taxation rate, or dont you understand how that works either?

I presume you mean that we have to pay more tax because people decide to use loopholes? We are not the ones that decided to spend a disproportionate amount of public money chasing red herrings. Putting good money after bad is why our taxes are too high.

Im more than a little surprised that people are happy to put their hand up in this day & age & proudly admit to not taking responsibility for their actions.
I thought that kind of behaviour stopped somwhere between the ages of six & eight.

I take full responsibility for my actions. This is one reason I object to laws that are really only in place because others don't.

[bigfoot]

So I had to deal with the police on a similar front.


Heres the letter I posted on not quite the 27th day, but close.
Waddya fellas think ? Its basically a pissed off reaction to being pulled over by a cop in a patrol car who claimed to also be a motorcycle cop, which is bollocks coz when I said the faster you go, the less the wind blows you around in your lane, HE SAID HE DIDNT BELIEVE ME


P.S There is no bullshit in the letter