Police ignore High Court judge.

[speedpro]

Lies, lies, damned lies, and statistics.
What if for example the vehicle fleet had increased as per the chart but nearly everyone just had them in the garage to look at because they couldn't afford the gas to run them? A more meaningful comparison "I" think would be between fleet miles travelled and accident data.
I used to have 2 cars and 5 bikes so my case would make these stats as presented look very good versus a person with only 1 vehicle who crashed as often.
If you only drive to the dairy once a year and crash every time it has the same result with these stats as the truck driver who drives AK-Wgtn return twice a week and crashes once in the year.
Speeding is not a major cause of crashes. Being a dick, silly/inappropriate speed, substandard skills or vehicle, or fatigue "I" think would all contribute more to the crash count. Therefore it is obvious to me that the majority of issued speeding tickets are no more than revenue collecting, quota meeting, pollitician pleasing bullshit. Good on anyone who contributes to difficulty collecting revenue from them.

[Bikernereid]

The number of tickets issued for minor speeding offenses in New Zealand has skyrocketed. In 2001, there were just 311 tickets issued to motorists accused of driving between 4 and 6 km per hour over the limit. Last year, that number grew to 34,651 with a total of NZD $46.5 million (US $32.3 million) collected from all speeding fines.

"The huge ticket rise has the smell of quotas about it," National Party Police Spokesman Chester Borrows said in a statement.

Figures show that while the number of tickets issued for minor violations has increased, the number of tickets issued for serious violations has dropped 35 percent.


Appears to be a very profitable racket......

taxpayer is being robbed allright....

Tax Payer getting robbed, NEVER!! Gosh that is such a terrible thing to say
The government made £6million in 6 months on the M25 in speeding tickets and the crazy thing is that the speed cameras caused so many bloody accidents it was unreal!

But at the end io the day if any of us found a really easy way of making cash would we not take it too. But then again people do and they tend to get arrested for it!!

[speedpro]

The speed cameras didn't cause any accidents, unless one fell over onto a car. Drivers (over)reaction to the cameras caused accidents which points back to the lack of skill and alertness thing again.

[Max Preload]

...basically a pissed off reaction to being pulled over by a cop in a patrol car who claimed to also be a motorcycle cop, which is bollocks coz when I said the faster you go, the less the wind blows you around in your lane, HE SAID HE DIDNT BELIEVE ME

So not only is he not a bike rider, he's not much of a physicist either. He should have been out on a bike yesterday like I was, with the gusty conditions. Maybe then he'd realise it's all true about crosswinds affecting you much less at speed on a bike.

[davereid]

....The other point is that once a conviction is entered, the demerit points are imposed on your licence from the date of the offence - not the date of conviction. So even if it is a year later, the points fall on the day you were issued the TON = Traffic Offence Notice.

Hi Winston, very interesting infomation.
So how does this work ?

Lets say I have enough points in the kitty to get a 6-month suspension with only 1 more itsy bitsy ticket.

But.. these points are ancient.. they are about to be cleared.

I get a ticket.. but stall it through the courts for a year or so.

Finally, I lose, and the points are added to my licence, at the date I got the ticket.

So, I'm already well clear of the disqualification ?

[sidecar bob]

Two completely different things. In the case of banging into someones car, there's a victim. Do you post in your cash every time you don't signal for the full 4 seconds prior to a lane change?

Ahh, so you should only take responsibility for your actions if there is a victim!! ok, i understand now.
This is more about values than specific instances.
If youre happy to fuck one group of people around then chances are you will do it to other groups as well, ie Tradesmen, landlords etc.
Im happy with my values system & the kind of friends it attracts & i wouldnt swap them with anyone.

[swbarnett]

If youre happy to fuck one group of people around then chances are you will do it to other groups as well, ie Tradesmen, landlords etc.

The issue here is that they fucked with us first.

[swbarnett]

... the faster you go, the less the wind blows you around in your lane,

Not only is this a gyroscopic affect but one of simple geometry. If you get hit by a gust from the side you spend the time it takes you to cross the path of the gust getting pushed sideways. The faster you go the less time it takes you to come out the other side of the gust therefore the lower the sideways drift.

[more_fasterer]

I'd like to point out that fairly recently the police started ticketing for speed in excess of 5km/h above the limit near schools and kindergartens (which I support), so it follows that minor infringement notices should have gone up dramatically as a result. But that's a minor point.

I'd also like to point out that more tickets for minor violations doesn't necessarily mean police are trying to rip people off. It might just be that they are doing a better job than they used to.

Anecdotal evidence points to some fairly major errors in your assumptions.
I received a ticket for 5km/h over on the motorway, in light traffic. The kicker was that the idiot 200m ahead of me (and about 150m ahead of the cop at the time) who tried to change lanes into the side of a truck got nothing. The only thing that prevented a major injury accident was the truck driver's quick reactions. When questioned, the officer told me that they had to target the "serious offenders"!

In regard to your second paragraph, have a look at the violent crime statistics and the crash statistics for NZ to get an idea of whether the police are doing a better job at "protecting and serving", as opposed to doing a better job at "revenue raising".

[Patrick]

Can someone explain how the 28 day argument used here has anything to do with speeding, the reason one was ticketed for, in the first place?

The issue here is that they fucked with us first.

They made you speed? Bastards!!!!!! Entrapment!!!!

[Max Preload]

Ahh, so you should only take responsibility for your actions if there is a victim!! ok, i understand now.
This is more about values than specific instances.
If youre happy to fuck one group of people around then chances are you will do it to other groups as well, ie Tradesmen, landlords etc.
Im happy with my values system & the kind of friends it attracts & i wouldnt swap them with anyone.

First you claim you understand, then you start going on about fucking people around. It's the person getting the ticket that is getting fucked around. Everyone else is getting paid for it.

If there's no victim, where's the concern? I'm all for personal responsibility. But I'm also all for do whatever the fuck you want unless it affects other people. I guess you're in the 'some people can't be trusted, so restrict everyone' corner. That's more apathy.

[speedpro]

They made you speed? Bastards!!!!!! Entrapment!!!!

What he was getting at was the overzealous enforcement of ridiculously low speed limits with ridiculously low tolerances and often with little common sense being applied regarding the circumstances of the alleged offence/misdemeanour.

[swbarnett]

Can someone explain how the 28 day argument used here has anything to do with speeding, the reason one was ticketed for, in the first place?

I think it's that this is the most common reason this kind of action is required. Due to speed being made a priority for enforcement.

They made you speed? Bastards!!!!!! Entrapment!!!!

No, they didn't. What they did was make a perfectly "safe" activity illegal in the name of improved safety. It's one thing to be done for driving "too fast for the conditions" but it's another matter all together when it's just that you were over an arbitrary number regardless of the conditions.

A zero road toll is a myth and the cost to society of aiming for this unattainable perfection is something we can't afford. And not just on the roads.

[Winston001]

Hi Winston, very interesting infomation.
So how does this work ?

Lets say I have enough points in the kitty to get a 6-month suspension with only 1 more itsy bitsy ticket.

But.. these points are ancient.. they are about to be cleared.

I get a ticket.. but stall it through the courts for a year or so.

Finally, I lose, and the points are added to my licence, at the date I got the ticket.

So, I'm already well clear of the disqualification ?

Good question and it's quite a while since I looked at it for ....er, reasons of self interest shall we say

It used to be that the points only accrued from the date of conviction so the longer that could be delayed, the better. Then they amended the law.

The upshot is that, Yes, your licence is suspended. All that has happened is the suspension notice hasn't been sent and your licence picked up until a year or so after the trigger point. Only operates from the day your licence is handed in or collected. Or you get stopped

[Patrick]

What he was getting at was the overzealous enforcement of ridiculously low speed limits with ridiculously low tolerances and often with little common sense being applied regarding the circumstances of the alleged offence/misdemeanour.

The roads are crap, the driver ability is worse. Not necessarily yours (which is none too flash if we are honest with ourselves...) but the other numpty who "didn't see you" as they pull out of god knows where while you are speeding along.....

What are those signs on the side of the road, those 50, 70 or 100 ones within the red circle... it means something to most...

Bugger... can't think what it is.....

A zero road toll is a myth and the cost to society of aiming for this unattainable perfection is something we can't afford. And not just on the roads.

Zero is a myth. A reduction would be great... especially to those families who get to keep theirs as a result of any reduction....