Oh, no, I crashed - and apparently I am at fault...?

**Headbanger** · 28th August 2008, 21:02

Originally Posted by Motu

Good work,I'm happy to see you have finally figured it out.

Aye?

If your trying to say the rules about stopping in the clear distance ahead cover objects entering from the side of the road then your quite wrong. But hell, If your going to ride at walking speed then more power to you.

Though I'd suggest you trade the bike in for an electric scooter of some description.

**Motu** · 28th August 2008, 21:04

Originally Posted by Forest

That's interesting. I've never seen an inspector perform a road test on any of my bikes as part of a WoF inspection.

Then insist on it!

Nothing I like better than a fang on some else's bike with some good hard emergency breaking thrown in.

**FJRider** · 28th August 2008, 21:04

Originally Posted by niero

Ehhh... whaaa? I have WOFed my bikes 6 times never did a braking test, EVER!

Do you do your own WOF's... according to my calculater, at 30 km/h you should have 16.6 metres @ 2 secs. were you... or do you count fast.

**Motu** · 28th August 2008, 21:06

Originally Posted by Headbanger

Aye?

If your trying to say the rules about stopping in the clear distance ahead cover objects entering from the side of the road

I'm not trying to say it - I am saying it!

**FJRider** · 28th August 2008, 21:07

Originally Posted by niero

Yes, but... I bet that people are more likely to use the two second rule rather than the distance LAW because its easier and more practical. Thats all.

Believe what you want, easier and more practical TO BIN....you mean.
No BUT's about that.

**Headbanger** · 28th August 2008, 21:09

Originally Posted by Motu

I'm not trying to say it - I am saying it!

Lmao, well good for you then, Now please tell me you stand behind your words and ride at 2km/h, otherwise its a crock of shit even saying it.

Well its a crock anyway because your wrong, But thems the breaks.

**Katman** · 28th August 2008, 21:12

Originally Posted by Forest

That's interesting. I've never seen an inspector perform a road test on any of my bikes as part of a WoF inspection.

To be honest, I wouldn't want half the dickheads that work at testing stations riding my bike either. (Lucky I can issue my own WoFs).

If people want a proper inspection carried out they should take it to a bike shop, that has WoF certification, that they trust. But that's not what people want - they just want their bike to pass without any problems (regardless of whether there are problems).

I refuse to carry out an inspection if someone says they don't want me to ride their bike.

**Nagash** · 28th August 2008, 21:15

Originally Posted by Katman

But that's not what people want - they just want their bike to pass without any problems (regardless of whether there are problems).

Yes siree'

**Griffin** · 28th August 2008, 21:22

Geez this threads taken off since I went to sit down for dinner... personally - after reading all this drivel, Id like to say 'good on ya Niero for stepping up and accepting that you are responsible for this wee learning curve fuck up'.

The facts are (minus the measurements and mental picture painting... cos that only serves to get your balls roasted) that you were behind a vehicle, said vehicle stopped, you did not... in time. Your fault, you accept that, sweet.

The truth is we are all guilty of following too close to other vehicles...
The difference is that many of us have been fortunate enough not to have one brake to a screeching halt in front of us while we were following too close.

Like you say... maybe a few of us will bear this in mind based on your experiences... thanks

**johns.swifty** · 28th August 2008, 21:30

Good luck with talking to the cops and the insurance rep - I don't like your chances but glad to here that you are OK and that Insurance is present.

I had an accident a couple of months ago (WITHOUT INSURANCE) lucky the guy was nice and agreed it was his fault. If he wasn't then who know how I would have been getting around as the bike was a right off.
Get this, the guy even lent me his own personal car until the insurance money came through.

**R1madness** · 28th August 2008, 22:06

Modern cars (especially sports cars) have fantastic brakes these days. I remember a test from a few years ago where a fararri and a GSXR1000 were tested side by side. The bike blasted the car up to about 250kph then the car came past due to superior power. Then in the brake test the bike was completely out classed by the car. Bigger disks and more rubber on the road. The real problem is that most riders do not have the fine motor control needed to brake properly. Its a squeeze not a tug on the brakes that stops ya best. Practice it lots, it may save your life some day. The theory is if you squeeze the brakes the tyre has time to spread itself on the road giving you a bigger contact patch so making better use of the braking power you have. The more the tyre spreads itself the more you can squeeze the brakes. A tug just locks the wheel.

**dyls** · 28th August 2008, 22:57

Originally Posted by niero

Sigh, yeah. Thats kinda hard when you have a tuner WRX in front of you... well, I guess that selling my parents into slavery is a good option right now... thankfully I hae insurance, its K, but premium is kinda high... $500 gar! I can see where everyone is coming from here, but none the less... the guy had some $5000 Brembo ferarri brakes on his car he litrally stoped in 3 metres. just like that... Isnt there a rule or anything to help me out here. I mean thats why we have the jury in law cases, to make it more humane and just... Do you think that this is justice? Its equivelent to driving in front of a moving wall which stops faster than the brake lights have the time to light up.

the law is pretty black and white and from every example I've ever heard, if you hit someone from behind, unless they were for some reason going in reverse, you're at fault.

sucks man : /

at least a) you're not hurt b) noone else is hurt c) you have insurance

**ynot slow** · 29th August 2008, 07:43

Re WOF some places have great testing stations with hours which suit,i.e open 7.30-5.30 or 8-5 and sat morning,my case was vtnz station open at 7.30 and at time I left for work at 8 and home about 5.30,they didn't open on Saturday.My bike shop was almost open at 8 but closed by 5 although if pressed they would stay there.

Sad to be in the wrong re crash,but depending on the cops attitude and yours and theirs at time of crash his report could help.We had a failure to give way crash last year,wife turning right into building supplies carpark,the setting sun a pain(May)stupid girl was being smart and took off from the curb after talking to her mates,showing off the turbo starlet,witness(older guy)said heard the noise twice(blow off valve)bang,wife rang the cops,girl wanted to get away so went to hospital,she did have license but no insurance,insurance said we were in the wrong despite mitigating factors,the panel beater had both cars and with technology placed cars together and the crash speed impact was approx 75km,wife was almost stationary.

We were told by insurance we could take the girl to court and if the court said her fault our excess was to be refunded,talked to lawyer his thoughts were to costly,and would she pay if guilty lol.

And to rub salt the cop gave her a ticket for failing to give way,sure she did but he could have been able to use initiative,afterall my wife waited other girl didn't want cops there,originally the cop said both to blame.

**Mikkel** · 29th August 2008, 10:26

Sucks when you get screwed over by the system.

I'd been tempted to take it further on sheer principle.

**pritch** · 29th August 2008, 10:37

Originally Posted by scracha

You don't have to outbrake cars. You just have to follow them at a safe distance to be able to stop in time. And yes, if you're following a Ferrari then you'd damn well best double your following distance.

Or pass the thing and get in front of it...

But seriously, scracha has shit the nail on the head.