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[scumdog]

What I heard wasn't black humour, it wasn't some way of coping, it was a blatant disregard for Joe public, a vulgar display of power.

Im well aware of what cops have to put up with, its all you seem to rabbit on about, but as ive said before cops are not forced to do this job, in fact they APPLIED for it! whats more they even get paid!

I say enuff of this "cops suffer on a daily basis" talk, they asked to do it, any of them are free to leave at anytime, plenty of jobs out there at the moment.

And whats more, how about taking responsibility, blaming cops bad attitude on the work load or govt law is pathetic, cops have no excuse for a bad attitude, they are paid to uphold the law and serve the public, if they cant handle it quit! At least quit the moaning.

"oh boohoo I saw this, I saw that, whoa is me, whaaaa"

Do your job well, if you cant, or you cant handle it find another job where your not in charge of people lives!

There is no excuse for the bad attitide prevalent in the highway patrol today.

I'll give you all the bad attitude you want - and still get the job done and do it well.

Job description never said "lock people up, give 'em tickets and make sure you do it with a good attitude".

The public I deal with get all the attitude they deserve, it gets returned with interest if needed but a good attitude goes both ways too.

You don't pay me enough to get a constant good attitude to those not deserving it.

[Lou Girardin]

you were obviously never stopped and given a ticket by an MOT unit then

You must've needed an attitude adjustment in those days.
I was politeness personified when writing a ticket.
Actually, excessive politeness was guaranteed to wind up the odd angry customer.

[scumdog]

Well I don't trust em anymore, I now view them as a necessary evil. This is because 1/2 of those i have met were shockers, power tripping fools.

I have also spent quite a bit of time inside a police station (working by the way) and was pretty shocked with the way they carried on and their comments.

Stay long enough and you'll get use to it!!

I spent quite a bit of time inside a police station (working by the way) with criminals and was shocked at their attitude to the tax-paying public and how they treated them.

[scumdog]

Solomona was hoist with his own petard. Good job, no loss. Now they can hire a decent cop to replace him.

And another generation grows up with less fear of authority.........

[idb]

I say enuff of this "cops suffer on a daily basis" talk, they asked to do it, any of them are free to leave at anytime, plenty of jobs out there at the moment.

And whats more, how about taking responsibility, blaming cops bad attitude on the work load or govt law is pathetic, cops have no excuse for a bad attitude, they are paid to uphold the law and serve the public, if they cant handle it quit! At least quit the moaning.

Sorry mate but I can't agree.
I actually think that cops in the main are pretty restrained in their "complaining".

Despite what you say, they do have to deal with shit day after day that I know I couldn't be bothered with or really wouldn't want to be dealing with.
When you think about it, how many of the people that they deal with actually want to be talking to them? Bugger all.

Despite that most of the gripes that I hear relate to resourcing issues rather than the work.

Large numbers of cops have taken the option of getting out in the last decade or so as you suggest through the PERF scheme but they are largely the most experienced ones, it can't be good for any organisation to lose the amount of senior staff that they have. Where do the new younger recruits learn a good work culture?

And sure, you're going to get pricks in any large organisation. Why should the Police be any different?
Unfortunately the pricks have just as many powers as the good guys and can really fuck our day up if they want to.
The constraint on inappropriate use of those powers of course is the extra scrutiny that cops are under from all quarters compared to any other section of the community.
I can't think of a more effective leash really - as over the top as it seems at times.

My 2c worth anyway.

[marty]

You must've needed an attitude adjustment in those days.
I was politeness personified when writing a ticket.
Actually, excessive politeness was guaranteed to wind up the odd angry customer.

my first brush with the MOT was @ 14 when i was driving my lawn mower powered go cart along the footpath from one side of my parents section to the other (about 10 metres). the cart was immobilised by said MOTer (who lived 10 houses up the road), never to go again. threatened to make my father's life hell too (he ran a garage).

next brush was in my 1951 6 volt anglia, blown headlight, driving in hamilton where i couldn't even tell if they were on, let alone one was blown - $75, no discretion, no diversion.

next was in my gto, painted in primer grey with spider man black dusting on it. no front bumper (was getting painted) but had the plate mounted on the front with lockwire. $75 for no front bumper. no discretion, no diversion.

all as polite as fuck.

wankers.

i think that people now days take efficient and ruthless ticket writing as having a bad attitude, when in reality it's someone doing their job well. maybe they would be happier if the HP cops stayed inside and trawled the net for porn....

[Ixion]

You must've needed an attitude adjustment in those days.
I was politeness personified when writing a ticket.
Actually, excessive politeness was guaranteed to wind up the odd angry customer.

Gotta say, the old snakes get a bad press nowadays, but I always found them very reasonable. And polite.

And, I know when I was young and starting out riding, I got stopped a few times , but not for a ticket. Local MOT bike guy just pulled me over, said "You're not going to get a ticket but I just want to talk to you about some things that you're doing that could cause you a lot of grief" (more or less) .

I learnt a lot from that guy - and from following some of the bike cops and watching how they rode. Fast AND safe.

And I know for certain that they turned a huge blind eye to the antics that I (and the other local youff) got up to. I reckon they could have filled a ticket book with us anyday of the week , but so long as it wasn't actually dangerous they pretty well turned a blind eye.

Not saying they wouldn't come down hard on you if you did step over the line, mind you.

I reckon the snakes were OK myself.

[drummer]

You have become extremely boring and predictable. You want change? Vote National Front!

Boring and predictable... well Spud thats because I have been consistant in my argument. I ask you again to show me where I argue current law.

[Funkyfly]

I'll give you all the bad attitude you want - and still get the job done and do it well.

Job description never said "lock people up, give 'em tickets and make sure you do it with a good attitude".

The public I deal with get all the attitude they deserve, it gets returned with interest if needed but a good attitude goes both ways too.

You don't pay me enough to get a constant good attitude to those not deserving it.

To quote from Spuds little poem "What is a police officer?"................

"They must be impartial, courteous, and always remember the

slogan "At your service"."

The measure of a good cop imho is getting the job done while applying those three points. Not sinking to the tit for tat attitude you display above.

You arent the only ones dealing with pricks all day.

You say the public "get all the attitude they deserve", well that kinda flys in the face of being a public service officer.

You should be adove that. Hard? for sure! but a measure of a good man.

[drummer]

Instead of jumping in to criticise why not try putting yourself in their shoes and see if that changes your opinions, even just a little.

Spud... that is an invalid agrument. Why would we put ourselves in "their" shoes? Would they want to walk in mine? If so... they are free to do so... NZ is about choice... if someone is a cop then they CHOOSE to be one... no-one has forced them chainganged them or bullyed them into becoming a member of the police force.

I had a very interesting chat today with a senior police officer. he totally agreed with my thoughts on standards and said that most of his colleagues were sick and tired of being given laws to police that were either too lenient on the criminals or too harsh on the average man... The quota system for ticketing speeders was criticised as being one of the reasons for young people dying in high speed crashes. Instead of targeting areas where the ticket ratio would be low but the offences truly dangerous, all too often to meet the quota Officers were directed towards areas with high offenders of far less danger... eg 60 in a 50 area.

Spud, you call be moring and predictable, but you carry on defending the police force, defending laws which are an ass, defending the average cop on the street (if there is such a thing as average). You argue with me over increased police funding... defend the police who charged a man and then say the outcome of not-guilty was correct DESPITE the outcome costing the poor bloke tens of thousands. Even when confronted with the FACT that the official government survey has found a massive increase in the public disatisfation with the poliuce force, you STILL don't waver from the "company line". Spud, maybe that attitude is what is fundementally wrong with the police... the ole "she'll be right" attitude... the one that bury's it's head in the sand.

Mate, we may have the same interest in our love of bikes, and that is what will see us having a beer togeather sometime. But fundementally you and I are different because I believe that something is amiss with the NZ police. I am not an expert in law, police procedures or "walking in a cops shoes". I am a member of the public... the great unwashed mass out there who's truse in the NZ police has sunk to an all time low.

My suggestion is to listen... and learn what the public need... what the public expect from you and your colleagues... individually we are not all correct... not all experts, but collectively we do have a point.

[Funkyfly]

Sorry mate but I can't agree.

And sure, you're going to get pricks in any large organisation. Why should the Police be any different?
Unfortunately the pricks have just as many powers as the good guys and can really fuck our day up if they want to.

My 2c worth anyway.

the Police force SHOULD be different, these are the guys upholding the LAW!

Its like saying "well the School sector is big, we should expect pricks like child porn viewers to work in it"

Well of course we dont, and shock horror if we find out one is! we expect them to be adove that, why? because their job is one of trust, and people in these positions need to be trusted.

Same with cops, they hold power over the general public, for no special reason other than they applied for it. Its a position of power and therefore trust, and we can rightly expect more for people in these positions.

They are public servents here to protect and serve, not hassle and abuse

Thats prob a bit more than 2 cents worth, any chance of a refund?

[avgas]

Ok i leave here alone for a few (weeks not drinks), and the shambles continues....
We do need cops - if your arrogant enough to think otherwise, just remember there are left-handed, mathmatically deranged, motorcycle riding, car driveing assholes out there like me - and we have access to god knows how many chemicals, an ici explosives licence (good for 10,000kgs ive been told), and at least half a dozen firearms.....and i dont even take p.
Without the police, we have no law, no law and i dont think about some of the things i do.
However i dislike the fact the rozzers are now a big fat company, with quotas to fill - why the hell pay tax? The bloody thing is self sufficent just like any other company. When was the last time you had 'Holden NZ tax' on your rego - never. So get rid of the fucken quota, free the good boys to get back to they're jobs and make the world a fuckn better place.
Otherwise people like me might start thinking we wont get caught if our car is all legal, and we drive safe..................just look at all the gangs in NZ - they have changed all theyre tactics

[scumdog]

To quote from Spuds little poem "What is a police officer?"................

"They must be impartial, courteous, and always remember the

slogan "At your service"."

The measure of a good cop imho is getting the job done while applying those three points. Not sinking to the tit for tat attitude you display above.

You arent the only ones dealing with pricks all day.

You say the public "get all the attitude they deserve", well that kinda flys in the face of being a public service officer.

You should be adove that. Hard? for sure! but a measure of a good man.

In case you didn't notice, the post that refers to is to show the opposite one to that certain members ofthe public show police, funny how it upsets those members of the public????? The fact it may not be accurate doesn't seem to enter into it, (not me at all - as any who have met me will tell you but believe what you want).

[Funkyfly]

In case you didn't notice, the post that refers to is to show the opposite one to that certain members ofthe public show police, funny how it upsets those members of the public????? The fact it may not be accurate doesn't seem to enter into it, (not me at all - as any who have met me will tell you but believe what you want).

All i can go by by mate is your comments, and so far im not impressed with your "your gonna get what i think you deserve" attitude, pretty disappointing really.

By your own admission you give public "attitude" because you think they deserve it, for whateva reason.

I believe the police should try and be above that.

[idb]

the Police force SHOULD be different, these are the guys upholding the LAW!
Its a position of power and therefore trust, and we can rightly expect more for people in these positions.

They are public servents here to protect and serve, not hassle and abuse

Thats prob a bit more than 2 cents worth, any chance of a refund?

You're right of course but you snipped out my point about them being under greater scrutiny as a result. That's as it should be.
No refunds but you can carry a credit to your next post.