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[Pixie]

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The speed limit is 100kmh, giving someone a ticket for 11kmh over is wanky but needed in a way as well. If they didn't the defacto speed limit would raise higher and higher.
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Bullshit. But from an objective point of view it's interesting to see how the propaganda inculcates itself amongst the plebs.

[Lou Girardin]

(a)They still don't!!

(b)I agree, need tougher penalties for failing to give way, crossing 'no passing' lines etc - hell $150 ticket for a potentially lethal breach of rode code!! Not good enough.

(c)Don't work part time for the Otago Daily Times do you?

What's with the ODT?

[idb]

And finally we have not yet developed that great device I have mentioned in other threads - the 'stupidometer' so apprehending other driving offences is a little harder than detecting speeding.

Maybe not but I make sure that I only own vehicles made of a very rare substance called cleveronium.
I notice that anyone not in or on vehicles made of this substance are unskilled, unco-ordinated idiots. In fact most other vehicles seem to be made of cretinium.
And the trouble is, I think my cars and bikes are the only vehicles in the world made of cleveronium and I'm the only one who drives them.
Explains a lot I reckon.

[Pixie]

Who heard the race commentator (moto GP I think) describe a rider as "riding his bike like a brocking bunco" last night?

[Ixion]

The speed limit is 100kmh, giving someone a ticket for 11kmh over is wanky but needed in a way as well. If they didn't the defacto speed limit would raise higher and higher.
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Bullshit. But from an objective point of view it's interesting to see how the propaganda inculcates itself amongst the plebs.

Well, it may not be wanky, if 111 is unwise. My objection is to the automatic 111 = greater than magic number = ticket.

Sometimes people should get a ticket for 101 kph.

That's what I object to about the way the speed limit is presented. Lower than magic number and you are completely safe. Higher than magic number and you are automatically dangerous. Both statements are nonsense.

In theory it is possible for a cop to give a ticket for driving at an unsafe speed even if it is less than the speed limit. I've never heard of it happening, doubt it has ever been done, but I see instances every day where such tickets should be given out.

Every day I see people driving at dangerous speeds BUT WITHIN THE SPEED LIMIT. And they'll never learn until they crash and kill someone. The law is happy for them to continue driving dangerously. And I sometimes see someone driving at more than the speed limit but quite safely. Yet the law says the man driving dangerously is OK , and the man drivng safely isn't. What nonsense.

[Pixie]

Well, it may not be wanky, if 111 is unwise. My objection is to the automatic 111 = greater than magic number = ticket.

Sometimes people should get a ticket for 101 kph.

That's what I object to about the way the speed limit is presented. Lower than magic number and you are completely safe. Higher than magic number and you are automatically dangerous. Both statements are nonsense.

In theory it is possible for a cop to give a ticket for driving at an unsafe speed even if it is less than the speed limit. I've never heard of it happening, doubt it has ever been done, but I see instances every day where such tickets should be given out.

Every day I see people driving at dangerous speeds BUT WITHIN THE SPEED LIMIT. And they'll never learn until they crash and kill someone. The law is happy for them to continue driving dangerously. And I sometimes see someone driving at more than the speed limit but quite safely. Yet the law says the man driving dangerously is OK , and the man drivng safely isn't. What nonsense.

I agree entirely,but as one of our cop friends said earlier in this thread"failure to indicate is chickenshit" meaning that it is unimportant.We can only expect that attitude to result in easy tickets (speeding) and the rest in the too hard category.(or the too taxing of a cop's intellectual faculties)

[spudchucka]

That's what I object to about the way the speed limit is presented. Lower than magic number and you are completely safe. Higher than magic number and you are automatically dangerous. Both statements are nonsense.

If you can put aside the LTSA anti speed advertising for a moment and look it simply as being a speed limit and a tolerance applied to the enforcement of that speed limit, then to me it seems completely reasonable. Everyone knows the prescribe limits that will incur an infringement notice.

Its only when you apply the arguement that once you step over the magic number then you become dangerous that it seems stupid. And yes Lou, before you point out the obvious, we have the LTSA and police mega-brains to thank for all that advertising

If you look at it objectively, without emotions then it is quite reasonable and 100% transparent.

In theory it is possible for a cop to give a ticket for driving at an unsafe speed even if it is less than the speed limit. I've never heard of it happening, doubt it has ever been done, but I see instances every day where such tickets should be given out.

You haven't heard of it because;
1: You aren't a cop, (as far as I know).
2: The media don't report it.

Every day I see people driving at dangerous speeds BUT WITHIN THE SPEED LIMIT. And they'll never learn until they crash and kill someone.

Backing out of a driveway can be one of the most dangerous things you can do in a car and that usually at abou 10 kph. But as you say, people don't give it a thought until they bowl the neighbours kid off their bike.

[Ixion]

If you can put aside the LTSA anti speed advertising for a moment and look it simply as being a speed limit and a tolerance applied to the enforcement of that speed limit, then to me it seems completely reasonable. Everyone knows the prescribe limits that will incur an infringement notice.

I haveno problem with the police applying it. Same as parking tickets. X minutes, more than that costs money. 111 kph costs money. What does annoy me is the extension that more than 110 kph is *always* dangerous (and then the logic jump to less than 100kph is *never* dangerous)

You haven't heard of it because;
1: You aren't a cop, (as far as I know).
2: The media don't report it.

No , not a cop. If you mean that cops do ticket for excessive speed under the speed limit, then I wish they would publicise the fact. Everybody would be safer if the message could be got through to J Public that what matters most is whether the speed is safe in the given circumstances or not . And often 100kph isn't (nor is 50kph often, either)

[Wolf]

If you mean that cops do ticket for excessive speed under the speed limit, then I wish they would publicise the fact.

But that would confuse the poor widdle cage-dwivers who would see the publicity and get totally confused as to what speed they're allowed to do.

Letters would get written to the edtors of all the papers (presumeably they must know someone who can write the letter for them) complaining that the cops are running around ticketing people for "dangerous driving" at below the legal limit.

Also ACC would get their undies in a knot because the revelation will be making a lie of their simplistic "all those filthy speeders are killing us" ads.

[Lou Girardin]

The charge wouldn't be excessive speed, more like speed/dangerous or careless driving.

[scumdog]

What's with the ODT?

If you read it you would know what I was on about - and if the ODT did the same hatchet job on people that sold motorbikes I would hear the screams from here!!

[denill]

If you can put aside the LTSA anti speed advertising for a moment and look it simply as being a speed limit and a tolerance applied to the enforcement of that speed limit, then to me it seems completely reasonable. Everyone knows the prescribe limits that will incur an infringement notice.

Its only when you apply the arguement that once you step over the magic number then you become dangerous that it seems stupid. And yes Lou, before you point out the obvious, we have the LTSA and police mega-brains to thank for all that advertising

If you look at it objectively, without emotions then it is quite reasonable and 100% transparent.

You haven't heard of it because;
1: You aren't a cop, (as far as I know).
2: The media don't report it.

Backing out of a driveway can be one of the most dangerous things you can do in a car and that usually at abou 10 kph. But as you say, people don't give it a thought until they bowl the neighbours kid off their bike.

After 45 bloody pages this thread is starting to make sense.......
Referring to the post quoted and the posts immediately subsequent to it.

That is - that speed per se does not hurt. What does hurt is bad/stupid driving on the part of one or more persons.

Forget about the artificial and arbitrarily imposed all enveloping speed limits.
Whoever said "the law is an ass". will get no argument from me............

[inlinefour]

That the 111 system is in the spotlight again. A telephonist failed to pass on an urget call and get some action in the way of Police assistance, and some poor turkey is a gonner as a result. This was not a Police officer's fault, but was human error. Sad that it had to happen, but they are keen to learn from it and improve their stanards to avoid it.
For all those people bitching aboout the law and the rules and the speed limit, have a cup of this and stop using the public roads if you can't stick to the limit and get caught.

[Lou Girardin]

That the 111 system is in the spotlight again. A telephonist failed to pass on an urget call and get some action in the way of Police assistance, and some poor turkey is a gonner as a result. This was not a Police officer's fault, but was human error. Sad that it had to happen, but they are keen to learn from it and improve their stanards to avoid it.
For all those people bitching aboout the law and the rules and the speed limit, have a cup of this and stop using the public roads if you can't stick to the limit and get caught.

Yeah, whatever you do don't complain. Robbie's upset and George is threatening to resign.

BTW How long does it take for them to improve their standards. People are getting hurt.

[WINJA]

Oh c'mon, you expect us to believe you do all that from a loony-bin? Hell, you're so full of shit!!!

Still, you make us laugh

YOU MAY THINK IM FULL OF SHIT AND THATS OK, BUT ID TAKE A BET YOU ARE AN ALCOHOLIC WIFE BEATER, COPS ARE SOME OF THE MOST DISTURBED PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET YOU WERE PROBABLY PICKED ON AS A KID SO YOU GOT A JOB THAT GIVES YOU A POWER TRIP. I KNOW YOUR TYPE.