Yes the graduated system should be pushbike, scooter, motorbike, car, Pajero!
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Yes the graduated system should be pushbike, scooter, motorbike, car, Pajero!
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Still Ridin'
Originally Posted by jrandom
A short-arsed person who couldn't afford a better cruiser
Still Ridin'
'tis the step from BMX to RGV250 that worries me.
The RGV has a definite place - but I don't think it would be appropriate for a total n00b - however the "law" disagrees.
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Yes as am i... But its the ability to get a RGV when on a restricted licence.... I had far exceeded my bikes limits (RG150) when i was still on my learners....
Hardcore Biker
In actual fact, if you want to make all our drivers safer everyone should be required to do 1 year on a bike before being allowed in a car.
Hardcore Biker
should be like car system....
1st 6 months, ride on back of someones bike
nest year ride o n own bike
after that can have people ride on back of your bike
no matter what size
as long as you can get away from nasty little boys with sirens on there cars
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Shit yeah - some of those BMX's are lethal! An RGV would be a real comedown.
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I seem to remember when the law first came out about 250's, they were pretty crappy and slow.
Top speeds would have been way down on the latest offerings of today.
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Hardcore Biker
Yeah, there are some pretty quick 250's out there, I got a slow bike as my first bike cos I'm sensible, but some may not, but I guess it's darwins theory of evolution in action I guess?
I reckon that no more than 70 on the open road is very dangerous idea, you'd get cleaned up quickly cruising at 70 down the motorway for sure...
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wheelchair rookie
Mate.
A quick wheelie gets rid of the L plate, with the evidence of there actually being one there in the past remaining. I dont think I EVER did the "no more than" speed limit. I read in the road code some where that its better to travel at the pace of the other traffic. The RD250LC generally had no problems doing that , apart from when I was passing the other traffic
Those who insist on perfect safety, don't have the balls to live in the real world.
Honda Racer
The 250 law is pretty simple really. Even non bikers can understand it. (My mate's Mrs thinks my FZR250 is pretty much the same as Kelz ZX9R for god's sake). Pity I couldn't afford the Aprilia 250 when I got my learners though.
wheelchair rookie
Yea true.
But back in the early 1990s a 1981 RD250LC could be made to do 185km/h. Did I mention that I want another one of these bikes at all?The 250 law is pretty simple really. Even non bikers can understand it. (My mate's Mrs thinks my FZR250 is pretty much the same as Kelz ZX9R for god's sake). Pity I couldn't afford the Aprilia 250 when I got my learners though.
Those who insist on perfect safety, don't have the balls to live in the real world.
Hardcore Biker
Some of the states in Australia have the right idea, with power:weight limits for non-full licence drivers instead of hp/displacement restrictions...
Still Ridin'
Sounds a good idea to me and make more meaningful gradings - Restricted licence holders should be able to ride more powerful bikes than learners.
You'd need some kind of database of "approved" models that would have to be regularly updated as new 'bikes come out and to make it simple for the average cop on the street (who doesn't have immediate access to the database) you go back to the differentiated licence labels of the old days - approved bikes can get a "learner" class or "restricted" class registration sticker that can be easily identified (different colours from the full licence variety would be good).
The colour of the sticker will determine that this 350 is approved for use by learners while that 150 is not. Tickets issued accordingly. :sly:
As the registration stickers are printed out by computer these days, it shouldn't be too difficult to set it up so that only approved bikes can get a "learner-class" or "restricted" rego sticker - compare the make/model of the 'bike being registered with the database and, if it's approved, the option for the appropriate label comes up. Full-on 'bikes only have one label option.
Whatever the system used - hp, Nm, Power:weight or a calculated combination - it doesn't matter if the cops or the riders or the public at large understand it, so long as there is a list of what are acceptable learner vehicles (expand it to cover cars) and some quick way of identifying them.
Your local bike shop would of course have a list of all "learner-approved" and "restricted licence" 'bikes. And Road Safety can put the list up on the web, the licensing places could print out a list for a modest fee.
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