This would mean I had to catch them up so that I could actually overtake them, or is this a trick question.
Straight roads, with clear road
Corners, clear veiw, clear road
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Blind corners
Crests and rises, blind
Forum whore
This would mean I had to catch them up so that I could actually overtake them, or is this a trick question.
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Forum whore
I'll pass, like most here have said, when I consider it safe for both myself and other road users. I don't like cutting up car drivers into corners, could freak them out, or piss them right off (no need for more anger on the roads). Same with passing where I can't see whats ahead of me, dumb dumb dumb. I will however pass with oncoming traffic, on some of our roads at the right speed I believe it to be perfectly safe. [puts on flame-proof suit]
Off topic slightly, back maybe 8yrs ago I was reading a Two Wheels mag, John Rooth I think was telling a tale that involved a rider and his wife on pillion out on a ride with some friends over some mountains. The rider and wife came up a blind crest, and as the arrived at peak they were confonted with a tour bus in their lane coming down, overtaking another tour bus! Sorry but I cant remember if the driver was charged or not, but both husband and wife were killed. One of my biggest fears now on the public roads, especially as I, no doubt all of us, have approached corners only to find someone coming around it your lane. How much difference 2 seconds can make eh? But life is risky, so I don't let it affect my riding. I'm aware of it, its just out of my control.
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Good rule - me too. If I cant see through the whole manouvre, I dont go, theres always an opportunity later. And since when did a modern bike have much trouble passing a cage!Originally Posted by Skyryder
Saying that, I disgraced myself in front of Kiwidan when the road looked and seemed to be clear, I thought it was safe! Gassed it and pulled out....fucking car hidden in a dip right in front of me! Its amazing how fast you can throw the bike back onto the right side of the road when you have to!
Had the tour bus thing with a Volvo (surprise, sur-fucking-prise) last year. VERY scary. At least there was a bit of room to avoid him and my reflexes are still faster than I thought they were!
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L-Plate Rider
I *HATE* overtaking!
I've been thinking about this since the last ride I was on (n00b ride on Sunday), so please excuse me if it comes out as a rant.
Firstly, like most of us I prefer only to overtake when it seems safe for all involved... the problem for me is the amount of road needed. A lot of the time I will see a stretch of road which looks safe enough but I'm too scared to pass because I can't get past the car fast enough - I'm guessing this is due to my bike being a lil 2 cyl 250cc, since no matter how hard I wind it up it never seems to be enough (but please if there's any way it's my riding tell me, cause I can't afford a new bike).
This is especially annoying if I find myself at the front of a group of bikes and know that they're all aching to pass the car but I'm just adding that extra distance (and I guess they expect me to pass first anyway). I know I should just ride my own ride but I still hate to get in the way of other peoples. (Note to self for future, pull left and let the other bikers get in front of me behind the car.)
And to make things worse whenever I find a nice long stretch of clear road (damn near always has to be straight to see far enough ahead), the bloody car decides it's time to accelerate! Gah! So there I am trying to pass a car that's now doing near enough to 100kph on my poor bike that tops out at 140kph (and takes its time to get there). Needless to say it's not fun inching past a car at your bike's upper limits with a corner approaching fast. :disapint:
Ok, so anticipating this horrid maneuver I could just stay behind the car... and wear my tyres even flatter, since the car slows right down again as soon as we get back into corners...
In all fairness though some cars do make an effort to pull left when there is some passing distance, and I should really get the hang of riding one handed so I can wave or thumbs up or something when they do.
Anyway I'm not entirely sure where I'm going with this, partly just getting it out of my system. But any advice or suggestions or anything else that might be helpfull would be greatly appreciated... maybe some kind of Jedi mind trick to get cars to let you pass? :P Or some trick to getting a little more acceleration out of my bike?Who knows hehe...
Geriatric hippie
It's the straight pipes that do it. You know, "loud pipes save lives", so if you fit straight pipes (and ape hangers help) you can quite safely pass around blind corners cresting hills. Strengthens the overall gene pool as well.
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Forum whore
Use momentum to slingshot you past. For years I have been stuck with underpowered cars, and they struck the same problem as your bike- the car in front would be incredibly slow thru the corners and then blast off in the straights. IF you know the road, the secret is to hang back a bit. When your approaching the last corner before a straight where you know you can get past, speed up, take the corner significantly faster than the car and time it so you are just about right on it's arse just at the point where you can see the road is clear. Then you can use your speed advantage to slingshot you past before they have a chance to accelerate. It works bloody well- if I could get past powerful cars in a 1981 Datsun Sunny 1400, then you should find it a breeze on your bike! You can also apply the same technique to passing lanes. Just remember, you need to time it in such a way that you have room to slow again if there's something coming the other way.I *HATE* overtaking!
And to make things worse whenever I find a nice long stretch of clear road (damn near always has to be straight to see far enough ahead), the bloody car decides it's time to accelerate! Gah! So there I am trying to pass a car that's now doing near enough to 100kph on my poor bike that tops out at 140kph (and takes its time to get there). Needless to say it's not fun inching past a car at your bike's upper limits with a corner approaching fast. :disapint:
Ok, so anticipating this horrid maneuver I could just stay behind the car... and wear my tyres even flatter, since the car slows right down again as soon as we get back into corners....
Can only ride 1 bike at a time
I find sometimes when I come up behind slower traffic on the straight bits I will make extra effort to pass them before the twisties - exceeding the speed limit by an enjoyable amount in order to maximise entry speed to the first corner. After that I go mad employing my full reportoire of overtaking skills because this is all about me... me...ME...ME...ME......
Loud and Uncouth
It's not the road markings that suck, it's the effwit drivers that have the line of thought "duh, no yellow lines, must be o.k. to overtake even if I can only see 80 metres down the road, hyuk, hyuk!"
I guess those that crash are sadly bereft of the forementioned 'common sense' huh?
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Wrong. It's all about NC30_chickbecause this is all about me... me...ME...ME...ME......
the middle path
Some good truckies do this but be aware that now truckies "wave" to each other by flicking their right indicators - confusing those behind!
Sometimes they flick the left indicator for you to pass.
So if you are following a truck and he flicks the right winky he is probably flashing another truck coming the other way. Or he could be turning right. Or he could be inviting you to pass him.
I'd go for the "dont know, dont go" option myself - assumption is the mother of all f*ckups!
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Forum whore
I voted straight road clear view early in the piece,I have low tolerance for people who pass on the outside of blind corners and over hills,I pass only when it's safe.But looking at my riding I see I bend my own rules a lot,depending on conditions,maximising my advantages.I will pass in a corner if I can see through to the road ahead,on a right hander passing on the inside,the outside on a left,taking the car where it's slowest.In twisties I will straight line across a right hander to the next left.It's all done when it's,um...usually safe,being a total thickshit I have to be aware of my disabilty and not let it put me into difficult situations.
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Hardcore Biker
Big difference here is that despite driving on the same side of the road drivers will indicate left to let you know the road is clear.That one caused me a bit of confusion in N.Z. where loads of truckers did it,no doubt they wondered why the idiot on the bike was still sitting back as well.Despite this I never overtake anything unless I`m happy it`s safe to do so,it`s not un-known for some smart-arse trucker to indicate someone past when it`s not safe and he`s just some wanker with a weird sense of humour.At the end of the day my safety is my resposibility and if anyone gives way to me anywhere,or waves me by,if I cant see for myself that it`s safe then I sit tight,in the past I`ve had guys flash me to let me across their path to turn off and I`ve seen some impatient bastard(on a bike actually)come flying down the inside,if I`d blindly followed the cars directions we`d possibly have collided.
Basically I`ll overtake anywhere it`s safe to do so but it`s my decision where and when that is,no-one else`s.Taking stupid chances on a bike isnt clever,it`s bad riding and totally moronic.
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I'm not trying to bag anyone here, but to the guy's that pass on a straight road when an oncoming car car is going to pass while you are passing: think about what you are doing- you are putting your life in the hands of TWO cage drivers at the same time. What if one of them drops their latte while doing their hair and talking on the cell phone? You might end up with nowhere to go.
Case in point- in this case I was the idiot cage driver. I was going home from work and driving in my former work bomb on Tunnel Road towards Lyttleton. A car was coming towards me and bike was behind the car, way off in the distance. Something or other happened to the high quality factory radio, so I quickly looked left to twiddle a knob (on the radio!). My work bomb didn't drive particularly straight in the gusty Noreaster that was blowing, and it drifted right a foot or two at the most. I was getting close to the centre line when something caught my attention in my perhipheral vision. I looked up and steered left at the same time, and a Rizzla gixxer 1000 blasted through the now fairly narrow gap while passing the other car. Maybe the owner is a member on this site- mate if you are you don't know how close it came. Perhaps you do and you uttered a few explatives under your helmet about the dickhead in the light browm Mazda 323. Fair enough too, as I shouldn't have taken my eyes off the road, but then if you had waited 5 seconds for me to go past, you would never have had to worry about it. See my point?
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Ive seen them indicate to each other, but I did wait a while and he indicated again and I could see him looking at me in his side mirror.
However, I admit I didn't know for sure and assumed it was to indicate nothing was coming.
Ok I confess - I was 18 years old in a slightly hot RX4. Say no more.
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Forum whore
Unfortunately, all to true. Overtake in top gear, even, for that extra slow response.It's not the road markings that suck, it's the effwit drivers that have the line of thought "duh, no yellow lines, must be o.k. to overtake even if I can only see 80 metres down the road, hyuk, hyuk!"
I guess those that crash are sadly bereft of the forementioned 'common sense' huh?
Unfortunately, the passive eugenics then works on those they hit, as well the dumd fks, themselves!
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