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[nodrog:Me]

http://www.copyright.co.nz/FAQs/

4. How long does copyright last for?
The author’s copyright lasts for 50 years from the end of the year of the author’s death. The publisher’s copyright in the typographical arrangement of the work lasts for 25 years from the end of the year in which the edition was first published.

[Number One]

Wouldn't mess around with Copyright stuff...especially on things NZ based, big big focus for NZ as our economy is really reliant on our ability (as a small and isolated country) to ensure our innovation and IP is protected. The IP police don't mess around - you get caught you in trouble.

[The Stranger:Me]

Wouldn't mess around with Copyright stuff...especially on things NZ based, big big focus for NZ as our economy is really reliant on our ability (as a small and isolated country) to ensure our innovation and IP is protected. The IP police don't mess around - you get caught you in trouble.

Really?
How much of our economy is reliant on copyright?
Are cows and sheep and logs copyright?

[The Stranger:Me]

Wouldn't mess around with Copyright stuff...especially on things NZ based, big big focus for NZ as our economy is really reliant on our ability (as a small and isolated country) to ensure our innovation and IP is protected. The IP police don't mess around - you get caught you in trouble.

A LOT of complete bullshit is blindly propagated about the effects of copyright infringement.
Tim O'Reilly of the publishing house O'Reilly & Associates has an interesting perspective on the matter here. But hey, what would he know?

How did Micro$oft win the OS war? Better product perhaps?
Make an OS and programs so trivial to copy that everyone will do so. When they then become legit for running a business etc what do they buy? They buy what they know.
Remind me again, how did piracy hurt Micro$oft?

[Number One]

Really?
How much of our economy is reliant on copyright?
Are cows and sheep and logs copyright?

Firstly...I am not an economist and frankly it makes me a little bit sleepy to even think too much about it all so in terms of 'arguing the points' I am not the right person to take this one on. But since you have quoted me I feel I must respond with my take on things.

Secondly - 'reliant on' was a poor choice of words in the context of our existing economy but in terms of our future it isn't. While our economy is 'commodity based' those commodities aren't going to GROW the economy much further than where we have already gotten to (in fact we are going backwards - especially now that countries are getting all carbon footprint conscious on it') AND check the falling prices....whereas 'innovation' can and does grow economies. Hello China, Japan blah blah blah

As I said I am NOT an economist and so I am not the best person for you to have this to and fro debate with - and I have other things to be doing with my time than getting into an online battle about a topic I am not enamoured with.

All I know is what, through the course of my current employment I have been made aware of and exposed to. That has taught and shown me that there are a raft of issues and areas that you might not think on the face of it would or could effect the economic performance of a country but which solid research and economic indicators prove they do (IP or 'INNOVATION' is right up there)

Oh and btw - New Zealands Cheif Economist is not prone to blindly propogating bullshit.

But hey, again I am not an economist...maybe you are?

Either way you are entitled to your take on things and I am entitled to mine. What I can say is that when IP/copyright law can and is enforced it hurts those that shit all over it. I have seen examples of it....of course I can't comment on them cos that would be bad and against the sectors code of conduct but really it does hurt those that fuck around with it.

[The Stranger:Me]

Firstly...I am not an economist and frankly it makes me a little bit sleepy to even think too much about it all so in terms of 'arguing the points' I am not the right person to take this one on. But since you have quoted me I feel I must respond with my take on things.

Secondly - 'reliant on' was a poor choice of words in the context of our existing economy but in terms of our future it isn't. While our economy is 'commodity based' those commodities aren't going to GROW the economy much further than where we have already gotten to (in fact we are going backwards - especially now that countries are getting all carbon footprint conscious on it') AND check the falling prices....whereas 'innovation' can and does grow economies. Hello China, Japan blah blah blah

As I said I am NOT an economist and so I am not the best person for you to have this to and fro debate with - and I have other things to be doing with my time than getting into an online battle about a topic I am not enamoured with.

All I know is what, through the course of my current employment I have been made aware of and exposed to. That has taught and shown me that there are a raft of issues and areas that you might not think on the face of it would or could effect the economic performance of a country but which solid research and economic indicators prove they do (IP or 'INNOVATION' is right up there)

Oh and btw - New Zealands Cheif Economist is not prone to blindly propogating bullshit.

But hey, again I am not an economist...maybe you are?

Either way you are entitled to your take on things and I am entitled to mine. What I can say is that when IP/copyright law can and is enforced it hurts those that shit all over it. I have seen examples of it....of course I can't comment on them cos that would be bad and against the sectors code of conduct but really it does hurt those that fuck around with it.

Sure, it is obvious by the ill concieved response that you don't wish to substantiate your claims. However may I suggest that should you not wish to, perhaps it would be better that you not make spurious claims - regardless of who your employer is.

[Number One]

Sure, it is obvious by the ill concieved response that you don't wish to substantiate your claims. However may I suggest that should you not wish to, perhaps it would be better that you not make spurious claims - regardless of who your employer is.

whatever. I don't have to enter into a pissing contest with anyone on here it really ain't that important to me after all this is just KB

AND btw way you can 'suggest' all you like and I can ignore your 'suggestion' all I like - isn't the internet wonderful like that

[doc]

A word to the wise, though, quit complaining and go explore some loopholes yourself. Lots of people make money by exploring loopholes, and quite legally too, so don't cut your own arms off so quickly. Put some money in your pocket!

Steve

Argh ... Bottom feeding principles n proud of it.... aye.

[The Stranger:Me]

AND btw way you can 'suggest' all you like and I can ignore your 'suggestion' all I like - isn't the internet wonderful like that

By all means ignore my constructive suggestions all you like and continue to post examples like how the Chinese economy is booming due to innovation as support for your position against copyright infringment.

The only thing they are innovative at is copyright and tradmark infringment.

You're a crack up, keep it up.

[riffer]

The only thing they are innovative at is copyright and tradmark infringment.

I do recall however, Noel, that the same arguments were used against the Japanese not that long ago.

But I do think that the Chinese are in no way as innovative as the Japanese, or even the Koreans. Not great thinkers as a country, the Chinese.

[Number One]

But I do think that the Chinese are in no way as innovative as the Japanese, or even the Koreans.

Korea for sure with innovation Riffer.

To The Stranger. Feel free to laugh at my ill conceived comments - as I said I am not an economist, and don't profess to know it all (unlike yourself) nor do I really care much for this subject hence I don't have the energy or inclination to go further into detail about what I have witnessed through the course of my work (aside from the fact that I could get in the shit for it).

Your responses to me though I must say are typically ignorant of the point that I was actually making in the first instance. Instead you latched onto the inaccuracies in my seond argument which while related were not my original point and as I have said so many times now I AM NOT AN EXPERT AND DO NOT PROFESS TO BE...but good on you for playing the 'I'm the bigger smarty pants and so can piss further than you' card.

My point was that copyright infringement costs those that ignore it and it damages economies by undermining businesses and that NZ is tightening up on enforcing it as it's key for our teeny tiny little economy to ensure those with good ideas be able to effectively protect, manage and exploit their IP.

Given that I am not an expert I thought it prudent to supply you with some reading matter from those that are. In here you will also find some further explanation about why this bullshit does matter.

http://www.med.govt.nz/templates/Con...____24678.aspx

http://www.med.govt.nz/templates/Mul...____24765.aspx

[The Stranger:Me]

I AM NOT AN EXPERT AND DO NOT PROFESS TO BE...

Now I am really intrigued.
If you don't know shit why do you continue argue?
You really should stick to subjects you something about like WIFE duties.

[Number One]

You really should stick to subjects you something about like WIFE duties.

ooh that's sharp

[Badjelly]

But I do think that the Chinese are in no way as innovative as the Japanese, or even the Koreans. Not great thinkers as a country, the Chinese.

And small hands.

[Katman]

Completely off topic (well, the small hands comment got me thinking about toilet training) but...........

I have a friend who runs a textile manufacturing business in Shanghai who was at a restaurant one night (perfectly fine looking restaurant from front-of-house) and asked to use the toilet. He was pointed to a door which lead into the kitchen but couldn't see from there where the toilet was. He went back to ask for further instructions and was lead by the hand back into the kitchen where the chef promptly kicked away a cover over a hole in the middle of the kitchen floor.

I shit you not.