performance of a 250 4 stroke

[Monsterbishi]

still havent met a car that could bet a pathetic twin off the mark, if It wasnt broken I would come and demonstrate... when I get another one I'd take you up on your offer *happily*

:P

I'll probably be doing some events in the N.I next year with my new car, I'll wind the boost right down to 12psi, and add 400kg of ballast, will be more than happy to put paid to the dreamers that think they stand a chance against a turbo 4wd.

Look at it this way, by the time we hit the 60', I'll already be at least 0.2 ahead, come half track, I'll be over a second ahead, come the traps, around 1.5 seconds.

With the exception of 2 stroke 250's, I've never seen a 250 run a 13 second pass before.

[John]

i dont even want to reply.

[onearmedbandit]

Why not?? He has a point.

[John]

Why not?? He has a point.

no I was going to reply but I dont want to upset anyone.

[Monsterbishi]

Please, upset us, it'll be a nice change from enduring one of WINJA's capitalised posts...

[MrMelon]

I remember having a bit of a drag against what sounded like a big turboed external wastegated vr4 with speedtech stickers all over it last year when I was on my tzr. He had me off the line, but I caught up by the time he got into 2nd and it was fairly even from there. I'd say he'd be capable of high 12 1/4's so that's not too bad for a little 250.

[Voodoo]

so are the zxr,cbr etc, suitable for long trips , like from what ive heard a gsx is more of a cruiser, but would a zxr,cbr be just as suitable, as id prob like to do the odd long day trip etc, and how far would a tank get u?

[Monsterbishi]

My MC19 CBR250R, is good for 195k's before the reserve is needed, don't know how far the reserve is good for though...

If you're anywhere past 5'10" The CBR gives a more upright riding position because of the low pegs, so is long trip friendly with less weight on your arms/wrists.

[Atomic]

I agree with Monsterbishi, its not hard to get a huge amount of power to the ground with a tuned 4wd turbo car. When the 4WD worked on my 32 GTR it launched very aggresively (9k + side step clutch) and didnt stop sucking you into the seat well....it didnt stop sucking you back at all untill id run out of motorway and/or off throttle cause it didnt feel too stable at those insane speeds. Then when the 4WD crapped out and it was running rear only (95% of its life), I would say it would get crapped on by bikes up untill about 100-150kph, not because it was slow...just because you couldnt get the power to the ground! It would break traction in 2nd gear (and 3rd when flat shifting) under power and in the wet would even light the bags in 5th gear under power (Scary).

The R wasnt even highly tuned, only intake, exhaust, chip and 1.0bar boost.
There is no way a 250 is gonna get a powerful 4wd sports car off the line and if it did start to gain......150kph and the bikes running out of puff while the car is just climbing.

I have attached a pic of my 250 killer.
If you ever see one of these on the road, believe me that it will kick your 250s ass.....it will accelerate harder, brake harder, corner harder and have almost twice your topend.

Bikes are still great! Cars suck!!!

Naa, I also love cars.

[muzz]

The missus has a GSF250 bandit it's a quick little bike. Really picks up speed after 8k rpm has a top speed of 180kph at 17k rpm. She rode from welly to hamilton and said it was compfy not to many aches and pains. She sat on 120 to 130 most of the way getting about 180 k/tank of fuel. I'd say not a bad little machine for a first bike. She's had it for just over a year now she wants something bigger. Shes had a taste of duc and now she wants one.

[muzz]

Here's a picture of the little beast.

[crazylittleshit]

Weazle/velox rides a jade250 and keeps up with everything good riding position etc etc....................
you may want to look into something like that?

[justsomeguy]

I agree with Monsterbishi, its not hard to get a huge amount of power to the ground with a tuned 4wd turbo car. When the 4WD worked on my 32 GTR it launched very aggresively (9k + side step clutch) and didnt stop sucking you into the seat well....it didnt stop sucking you back at all untill id run out of motorway and/or off throttle cause it didnt feel too stable at those insane speeds. Then when the 4WD crapped out and it was running rear only (95% of its life), I would say it would get crapped on by bikes up untill about 100-150kph, not because it was slow...just because you couldnt get the power to the ground! It would break traction in 2nd gear (and 3rd when flat shifting) under power and in the wet would even light the bags in 5th gear under power (Scary).

The R wasnt even highly tuned, only intake, exhaust, chip and 1.0bar boost.
There is no way a 250 is gonna get a powerful 4wd sports car off the line and if it did start to gain......150kph and the bikes running out of puff while the car is just climbing.

I have attached a pic of my 250 killer.
If you ever see one of these on the road, believe me that it will kick your 250s ass.....it will accelerate harder, brake harder, corner harder and have almost twice your topend.

Bikes are still great! Cars suck!!!

Naa, I also love cars.

Man that is a lovely car!!!!!!!

But comparing a GTR to a 250 is like comparing a Corolla to a R1.

I think you should compare a 250 to say a basic skyline or integra, etc maybe the odd civic type R.


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As to your question Voodoo.... I find my (slow to most people) ZZR fast enough once I cross 8K in 2nd,3rd and 4th. Matter of fact I rarely cross those rpm/speeds while keeping it legal. In 6th around 8-10K (depending on hills, etc) is all you need for legal 110kmph cruising.

Lots of people however point very firmly at the CBR's and ZXR's so go give them a test ride and decide......... only true way to find out if you ask me

[Atomic]

Man that is a lovely car!!!!!!!

But comparing a GTR to a 250 is like comparing a Corolla to a R1.

I think you should compare a 250 to say a basic skyline or integra, etc maybe the odd civic type R.

Thanks for the comments, I no longer own the car but will own another someday.

GTRs are pretty fantastic but there are plenty of other cars that keep up with the same mods so I dont think its just a GTR that would pose a threat to the 250s.....plenty of other 4wd turbos would smoke them aswell.
My mates ZR4 (180ishKW)was stock (more power than a stock VR4 (140ishKW) and that thing was pretty damn fast, so fast id say that it would piss on a 250 4 stroke. Then EVO3s (fastest EVOs) which are faster than a ZR4 would most likely smoke a 250 aswell unless the driver is taking it easy out of fear of running the rider over. GTIRs would kill the 250s also I reckon.
Even RWD sports cars, aslong as the driver can get it moving without smoking the bags too hard, MR2 turbo or RX7 turbo would mince a 250.

[Monsterbishi]

Thanks for the comments, I no longer own the car but will own another someday.

GTRs are pretty fantastic but there are plenty of other cars that keep up with the same mods so I dont think its just a GTR that would pose a threat to the 250s.....plenty of other 4wd turbos would smoke them aswell.
My mates ZR4 (180ishKW)was stock (more power than a stock VR4 (140ishKW) and that thing was pretty damn fast, so fast id say that it would piss on a 250 4 stroke. Then EVO3s (fastest EVOs) which are faster than a ZR4 would most likely smoke a 250 aswell unless the driver is taking it easy out of fear of running the rider over. GTIRs would kill the 250s also I reckon.
Even RWD sports cars, aslong as the driver can get it moving without smoking the bags too hard, MR2 turbo or RX7 turbo would mince a 250.

As far as cheaper performance cars go pretty much anything that can run a 13 second 1/4 will trounce a 250, so even the likes of the 1800NA Type-R Integra's can do it, VZ-R, VR4/ZR4's, GSR's, GTiR's, GT-X's, SW20 Turbo, Any of the Turbo'd skylines.

And for the record, ZR4's were never any more powerful than the same year VR4, that was a fallicy started by a australian magazine, they're actually 30kg heavier because of the extra bracing at the back of the car. - Your friend may have had one of the Evolution models which carried the 16g turbo...

I had to ride my MC19 for a few days last week while the bike shop fixed my reserve switch on the YZF, so I used it as an opportunity to practice my launching, even with a perfect launch, ie, slip-launch around 10-12krpm no bogging, it was nothing even close to what my old VR4 could do, and my new Mirage is even quicker on the same setup.