Fast and Safe

[Alan Wilkinson]

1. so go and live in northern territory

Go there yourself. This is my country.

2. it has been tested in court. many, many times.

Rubbish. There is no way to challenge the current law. If you are doing 51 km/h in a 50 km/h area you are guilty, end of story. You cannot defend by proving it was safe.

3. question for you maybe, but for those of us who have seen it 1st hand, lower speed limits and hard general road safety enforcment saves lives

Show me the New Zealand evidence. Opinions are irrelevant.

4. eliminate all the factors that cause accidents and you'll be living in a bubble. i'm sure the govt et.al doesn't give a shit how many crashes happen, just how much trauma occurs in those crashes, and if they can reduce the trauma by one or two significant indicators (speed, alcohol, seat belts spring to mind) then they will go for it, as they are fiscally driven. crashes don't cost the govt. money - the trauma following does. would you be prepared to reduce your tax contribution by the amount you contribute to the health budget, and if involved in a crash pay for it out of your pocket? insurance wouldn't pay if you were speeding, eba etc. before you say "hell yeah" - do some research on a weeks stay in ITU, or 6 months in the Otara spinal unit.

Hell yeah! Like a shot! But I'm sure IRD wouldn't want to take a hit like that.

[Alan Wilkinson]

You post seems like a piece of Political Electioneering, what other policies are you standing on?

Your post seems like a piece of arrogant b.s. from start to finish. Do you have anything useful to say?

[Mongoose]

Your post seems like a piece of arrogant b.s. from start to finish. Do you have anything useful to say?

You are so right, it's a reflection of what i have read from you.
When last were you given a ticket for 51kmh? Or is that just but one of your exagerations you use to TRY and make a point with out letting facts get in the way?

Why have you not bothered with any serious questions asked of you but go straight for the one thing that did not need an answer?

[Blakamin]

Finally, there are already ways we know work. Motorways are the safest roads - we need more of them, certainly SH1. Head-protecting side airbags halve side impact fatalities. In Northland, simply improve the roads enormously and get people off benefits, drugs and alchohol and into jobs. Better roads up here mean more jobs and more money.

excluding SH1, you've come to the wrong place to tell people we need more motorways!!!!
In case you haven't realised, most people here enjoy going around corners.
ever thought that the motorcycle hire industry actually functions coz people from other places (with $$$) like the fact every road isn't a super-highway??

Air bags.... yup,
Speeding... yup
driving thinking you are better than someone else... yup

all of those cause fatalities....

I can see so many drug dealers and single mums giving it up just to build your roads...

[marty]

Go there yourself. This is my country.


Rubbish. There is no way to challenge the current law. If you are doing 51 km/h in a 50 km/h area you are guilty, end of story. You cannot defend by proving it was safe.



Show me the New Zealand evidence. Opinions are irrelevant.



Hell yeah! Like a shot! But I'm sure IRD wouldn't want to take a hit like that.

get fucked.

wanking in public might be safe, but it's still an offence. go and live somewhere else if you don't like the laws of the land

i have scraped enough people out of their cars/bikes/trucks/planes to know what i'm talking about. it's not opinion - it is backed up by evidence i just can't be fucked dredging up again.

that was quick research. oh that's right, "I never claimed to be a lawyer or legal beagle. I consult one or look up the stuff when I need to know." (yours from an earlier post) should read "if it's going to prove someone elses point, i'll ignore it" (mine from this post) i'd be happy for you to not pay tax, if it meant that you had to pay for your own care, or be left to bleed to death on the road side. we have a 'no questions asked' system at the moment - are you suggesting that you could do better?

[Alan Wilkinson]

Get lost meat-head. When you pay my salary instead of me paying yours I could believe there is something inside your skull worth listening to.

You have no evidence, just a big mouth.

[Alan Wilkinson]

excluding SH1, you've come to the wrong place to tell people we need more motorways!!!!
In case you haven't realised, most people here enjoy going around corners.

You may. But we all depend on road transport for our livelihoods and wealth. One of the cops bleated about our low GDP. The reason is we have made bad investments and continue to do stupid things.

And bad roads mean more casualties.

[Blakamin]

OK.... nuff of the names... we aren't all 12.....

[Alan Wilkinson]

Why have you not bothered with any serious questions asked of you but go straight for the one thing that did not need an answer?

Because I gave you a serious answer and got a b.s. reply.

[Blakamin]

You may.

no, most, if not all here on kiwi biker do... thats the point... if you don't like what we like, you are free to leave......
we dont want super-highways... simple...you want them, find a super highway forum... they'll love you...

[marty]

you know nothing about me or how my salary gets paid. once again, you are making ill-informed conclusions about things that you don't know anything about. thanks for the enlightened discussion alan, i have enjoyed watching you make a right dick out of yourself. see ya!

[Alan Wilkinson]

no, most, if not all here on kiwi biker do... thats the point... if you don't like what we like, you are free to leave......
we dont want super-highways... simple...you want them, find a super highway forum... they'll love you...

I used to live at the end of 50 km of the one of the most winding roads in NZ. Yeah, sure it was fun doing it sometimes - but day after day, year after year, you just get tired of the extra concentration it takes out of you.

[Mongoose]

Because I gave you a serious answer and got a b.s. reply.

And the answers I gave were not serious replies?? You poor deluded man if you think others can not hold a differing opinion to yours.
You have yet to say where all this money is coming from, given your take on traffic laws, it wont be from there, so where?
An example "We have to spend more money on finding out why drivers make particular errors and then do something about it."

Another "Firstly, there should be an independent investigative agency for serious crashes that is not linked to enforcement in any way. "

"Secondly, as I have said, safety regulations should be testable in court" that would of course suit those that could afford it.


"Thirdly, we need to allow competitive private enterprise to run road services" Would only happen in the area you mentioned if it could be proved that there would be a return on the money invested.




ps, For some one who says they research things, you are not that good at it or you might have worked out who may benifit from your tax paying and who does not rely on it, saved yourself an embarrising outburst if you checked your facts first

[Alan Wilkinson]

i have enjoyed watching you make a right dick out of yourself. see ya!

In your case, no effort was required. What you enjoy tells enough about you.

[James Deuce]

OK.... nuff of the names... we aren't all 12.....

It's all getting a bit much alright.

A non-bike rider sets up a login and then proceeds to dazzle us with his "charm".

The back biting is getting a bit tedious.

Would there be any merit in suggesting that Alan has another go by starting his own Q&A thread about his views and proposals? I'd like to explore the issue further, but the tone is definitely "Parliament Question Time" at the moment. I'd like to see if we can't actually contribute to the process of roading reform rather than ignoring an active lobbyist due to differences of opinion.

The Highway concept has merit for me, because it means the secondary highways will have less traffic on them, making a trip through the swervery a touch safer for motorcyclists.