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[Paul in NZ]

Now I'm dying to see a debate between Spud, regurgitating his bosses stats, and Alan Wilkinson who knows the facts.

Well Lou...

Some people (not me of course) might just consider it was this piece of fat thrown on the fire that sparked it all off....

Paul N

[Alan Wilkinson]

Holy crap!! It looks like Alan has pretty much insulted or abused every member that has posted couter arguements in this thread.

No, for one short session I thought I would return in kind only to those who had insulted me. Possibly that is all who had posted counter arguments, because virtually all of those have been of the "I believe this, you are xxxx" kind. There has not been one piece of authenticated counter fact that I can recall.

And after going all round in circles on the arrested woman red-herring, we finish up that she was probably arrested illegitimately anyway which accounts for why she was then released with no charge.

[Alan Wilkinson]

i have scraped enough people out of their cars/bikes/trucks/planes to know what i'm talking about. it's not opinion - it is backed up by evidence i just can't be fucked dredging up again.

It is opinion. If you have verifiable evidence, produce it.

[Mongoose]

No, for one short session I thought I would return in kind only to those who had insulted me. Possibly that is all who had posted counter arguments, because virtually all of those have been of the "I believe this, you are xxxx" kind. There has not been one piece of authenticated counter fact that I can recall.

And after going all round in circles on the arrested woman red-herring, we finish up that she was probably arrested illegitimately anyway which accounts for why she was then released with no charge.

Dang, just as I was getting my daily postings up a bit too, you do have some uses Alan.
Anyone who posted anything that questioned your "beliefs", as that is all they are, graphs or otherwise, was either A) Ignored or B) Abused.
Need an example?
What about the question as to where all the money was coming from for new roads, more research, longer court sittings? If you reread the postings all those questions and more were asked and ignored, why?

[Blakamin]

It is opinion. If you have verifiable evidence, produce it.

ok, I know I'm not marty, but I suppose you'd like a graph?????

why don't you get out and volunteer to scrape people off the road??? too busy crunching numbers???

Might just be a statistic to you, buddy, but it's someones fucking life that becomes a red mess. go volunteer, you'll see for yourself....

[Lou Girardin]

Well Lou...

Some people (not me of course) might just consider it was this piece of fat thrown on the fire that sparked it all off....

Paul N

Ther'e's no abuse in it though.

[Mongoose]

Ther'e's no abuse in it though.

Nor in what I said, so just how sensitive is this Alan chap?

[Lou Girardin]

ok, I know I'm not marty, but I suppose you'd like a graph?????

why don't you get out and volunteer to scrape people off the road??? too busy crunching numbers???

Might just be a statistic to you, buddy, but it's someones fucking life that becomes a red mess. go volunteer, you'll see for yourself....

For what it's worth, most of my opinions agree with Alan's and I have scraped people off the roads. There are a lot of older cops that agree with our arguments too.
Being at the coal face doesn't necessarily mean you know how to find new coal mines.

[Lou Girardin]

Nor in what I said, so just how sensitive is this Alan chap?

He wasn't aware of what he was getting into. Held his own quite well, I thought.

[Biff]

He wasn't aware of what he was getting into. Held his own quite well, I thought.

I don't believe he could have done a worse job at attempting to get people on side. His facts were weak, and he appeared uncomfortable and defensive when they were called into question, and this was before he started to get personal.

He might make a good home loan agent though.

[Mongoose]

He wasn't aware of what he was getting into. Held his own quite well, I thought.

As a crusader, that he purports to be, I doubt "He wasn't aware of what he was getting into." Or he has a lot to learn, but how can he when he is so educated he should know.
The man wants to learn the art of LISTENING and ANSWERING if he wants to push a barrow to any effect

[Alan Wilkinson]

ok, I know I'm not marty, but I suppose you'd like a graph?????

why don't you get out and volunteer to scrape people off the road??? too busy crunching numbers???

Might just be a statistic to you, buddy, but it's someones fucking life that becomes a red mess. go volunteer, you'll see for yourself....

That's why it's important to do things that work and are proven to do so.

Swearing and performing doesn't make you right or impress me in the slightest.

[Alan Wilkinson]

What about the question as to where all the money was coming from for new roads, more research, longer court sittings?

Traffic policing now costs around $350M per annum. Fines and current court costs re speeding are probably another $150M. Better roads reduce casualties (save Health and ACC costs) as well as contributing to future wealth in many ways and reducing future welfare costs.

There is plenty of money now being wasted that could be redirected.

[Mongoose]

Traffic policing now costs around $350M per annum. Fines and current court costs re speeding are probably another $150M. Better roads reduce casualties (save Health and ACC costs) as well as contributing to future wealth in many ways and reducing future welfare costs.

There is plenty of money now being wasted that could be redirected.

And those figures are varifiable and accurate (not that i would think you would post other wise)
Can see one flaw already, what you were proposing would NOT do away with Traffic Policing. By how much you dont indicate.

"Fines and current court costs re speeding are probably another $150M." is obviously at best a gestimate, and what you propose would INCREASE court costs as EVERY ticket would be contested, no saving made at all

[Midnight 82]

That's why it's important to do things that work and are proven to do so.

Swearing and performing doesn't make you right or impress me in the slightest.

I think you need to eat your own words. you are one of the worst on here for swearing and name calling.