Fast and Safe

[spudchucka]

But also to see how you bully boys reacted to a bit of your own medicine. Not very well, as I expected.

Get a grip of yourself. That comment once again simply highlights your true motivation, to discredit police at any opportunity. You are shaping up as a true oxygen theif.

[Alan Wilkinson]

I can just see stoned CEO's driving at 200kph in the company XR8....

No company is going to tolerate a stoned CEO, or any other senior manager.

Yet Lou and co lambasted the Police over the recent Irena Asher case. This is a classic one where the Police were overloaded due to a individual making bad personal choices over where they went, who they went with and their medication (mental health issue). While you point about there being too many laws preventing people from harming themselves everyone still expects the Police to turn out and often risk their own lives to help them. How would the average cop on the beat manage that? "Sorry mate, we can't help you because you made a stupid decision?"

Isn't that part of the consequence of not making people responsible for themselves? But mental health is rather different when it involves mind-changing illnesses. We do have to look after those people better. It is not just the job of the police and I would not often blame them when things go wrong. It usually started way back up the chain.

[Alan Wilkinson]

Its in a section entitled "Our Comments" And is preceeded by a paragraph that starts "My current thinking is.....".

Shouldn't you be referencing the "research" of others instead of passing it off as your own ideas?

Isn't that plagerism?

See below:

http://www.fastandsafe.org/site.aspx...ds/Dyson4Nov04
Recent detailed and extensive academic US traffic accident research I have examined fails to uphold any clear relationship between speed and crash frequency. For example, a comparison of crash frequencies on multi-lane highways failed to find any difference between fast and slow lanes. A comparison of male and female drivers found that on average males prefered to drive 7 mph faster than females. However, males and females had similar frequency of crashes per distance driven. Other studies failed to find any relationship between average speed immediately before the crash and the likelihood of a crash. Studies have also failed to confirm any consistent relationship between speed variations and crash likelihood.

[Alan Wilkinson]

That comment once again simply highlights your true motivation, to discredit police at any opportunity.

Nothing I can say will discredit you. You have to do it yourself.

[Biff]

A bit upset that you haven't been able to bully us, are you? Well, fyi, there are some sensible people here with whom I have enjoyed debate, even when we disagreed. Unfortunately, there seem to be quite a few others.

Bully you ? Getting upset. Not at all. Get a grip man, I've done nothing of the sort. I think you're getting a little paranoid.

Although, I'll admit to being a bit pissed at the fact that on several occasions you've sought to deride, on mass, pretty much everyone on this site.

But hey , you carry on, I'll just sit here, shaking my head and drinking coffee. I've pretty much abstained from getting involved in this thread basically because I've only been in this country for a few months, and don't believe I know enough about 'the system', or have earnt the right to tell every other bugger here what they should or shouldn't be doing and thinking. Unlike some.

[sparrow_34]

People die on the roads. Always have, always will. You break the speed limit of say 100kp/h, tough. It's not like you were entraped into thinking the limit was 110km/h the big round sign says 100. Don't bitch and moan if you go faster and get caught. I ride faster than 100kp/h, if I get caught I get caught, no complaining from me. Sure 100kp/h is not some mystical magic number that once broken has the grim reaper creeping up to get you. It is a number that has been chosen as the open road speed limit.

The LTSA stats are tipped in their favour, yes, but really who gives a rats arse about the stats, if you have the intelligence to see through them then get over it and move on.

[Biff]

No company is going to tolerate a stoned CEO, or any other senior manager.

I think what you meant to say was, "knowingly tolerate". You'd be surprised how many CEO's directors, senior execs, CFO's and such like that I know for a fact smoke pot.

[Alan Wilkinson]

on several occasions you've sought to deride, on mass, pretty much everyone on this site.

Rubbish. And that doesn't either.

[Biff]

Rubbish.

It's not rubbish Alan. See my post further up this page where you alluded that we were all children in a play pen. Further back in this thread you also accussed most of us as being less intelligent than you because we tended to disagree with your opinions.

If you never meant these things and myself and other people here have misinterpreted your comments, then I suggest you take your time a bit more when responding to posts here and consider the fact that you're talkng to an audience.

And that doesn't either.

I'm sorry I haven't a clue what you're referring to. What's "that"?

[Alan Wilkinson]

It's not rubbish Alan. See my post further up this page where you alluded that we were all children in a play pen.
If you never meant these things and myself and other people here have misinterpreted your comments, then I suggest you take your time a bit more when responding to posts here and consider the fact that you're talkng to an audience.

The play pen was just a refutation of Spud's "lion's den" and referred only to his childish tag team trying to give me a hard time.

Further back in this thread you also accussed most of us as being less intelligent than you because we tended to disagree with your opinions.

I don't know what you are talking about but you certainly misinterpreted me.

I'm sorry I haven't a clue what you're referring to. What's "that"?

Saying "Rubbish."

[Biff]

The play pen was just a refutation of Spud's "lion's den" and referred only to his childish tag team trying to give me a hard time.

Apology accepted.

I don't know what you are talking about but you certainly misinterpreted me.

I'd suggest that you practice being a little more sycinct with your comments then, that way nodoby will misinterpret what you say.

Apology accepted.

[Lou Girardin]

Really? -



Yet Lou and co lambasted the Police over the recent Irena Asher case. This is a classic one where the Police were overloaded due to a individual making bad personal choices over where they went, who they went with and their medication (mental health issue).


B Amazing!

If this becomes the criteria for a Police response, we may as well disband them now.

[spudchucka]

People die on the roads. Always have, always will. You break the speed limit of say 100kp/h, tough. It's not like you were entraped into thinking the limit was 110km/h the big round sign says 100. Don't bitch and moan if you go faster and get caught. I ride faster than 100kp/h, if I get caught I get caught, no complaining from me. Sure 100kp/h is not some mystical magic number that once broken has the grim reaper creeping up to get you. It is a number that has been chosen as the open road speed limit.

The LTSA stats are tipped in their favour, yes, but really who gives a rats arse about the stats, if you have the intelligence to see through them then get over it and move on.

Thanks for your common sense approach. The vast majority of people still think like this despite Alan claiming he is the champion of the NZ motoring public.

[hobdar]

You can go onto the govt budget websites and check for yourself, but they are around those numbers so it gives you the relative sizes which are large.

Yes, there would be residual costs to be met. Not every ticket would be contested, but there would be far fewer of them in total - maybe only one third or even less. And as I said there are the future benefits as well to support the case for investment.

1/3 or less where do you get this figure from, heck if i was able to contest a speeding ticket i would...hell think of the overtime for the cops being dragged into court....the cost of the wages of the people who work in the courts, the added cops to cover the cost of police being tied up in court cases.....

But well at least the lawyers will make even more money, maybe we could start a scheme to get some of those dole bludgers and single mothers off the DPB and into studying to become law clerks....

[Alan Wilkinson]

Apology I'd suggest that you practice being a little more succinct with your comments then, that way nobody will misinterpret what you say.

I'm probably too succinct. I'll try, but some here are rather determined to misinterpret me.