Fast and Safe

[Clockwork]

I am a motorcyclist (and a driver )....... I do break the speed limit but I can honestly say that when I do, I still feel I am driving within mine and the vehicles capabilities. In short, I honestly can't accept that just because I am exceeding an arbitrary limit that I am putting other road users at risk. To put this another way, I never drive/ride in a way I feel puts myself or others in danger.

Do those of you who feel "Fast And Safe" (AW, if you will) has nothing to contribute to the road safety debate, always adhere to all posted limits or do you accept that by breaking them you are being a menace to society? :spudwhat:

[Blakamin]

Sigh.

I said I did concentrate - and it is tiring when you have to work all day on top of driving for 4 hours which is what I did for 10 years. You claimed I couldn't be bothered concentrating so I couldn't be Fast And Safe.

Like much else here, that is just crap.

why is that crap?
I think if you cant concentrate, or find it too hard, you shouldn't be allowed on the road...
your stats should agree!
I'm sure if you put your mind to it you could even make a graph....
you know, falling asleep at the wheel and shit... that is obvious lack of concentration...
I wasn't directing the "if you cant concentrate..." personally at you... EVERYONE who thinks they are fast and safe doesn't concentrate 100% of the time... if they did, there would never be 2 cars colliding! fuck, no-one will concentrate 100% of the time, but us bike riders do it a hell of a lot more than you cage types that think you're "fast and safe", in fact, sometimes we have to concentrate FOR you people... thats why we aren't all dead.

more than "stop being idiotic" or "get a life" would be considered a reply... anything else just goes to show... you cant be bothered


btw, half of my living comes from driving... a lot more than 4 hours a day...
had 1 speeding ticket in 16 years... 112k on the desert road... i was speeding... i'll pay the fine.... I don't think it was dangerous, but thats the law

[Clockwork]

it'll be a 'Peter Ellis is innocent' thread next

actually........


nah..... its not the time or place.

[Alan Wilkinson]

I wasn't directing the "if you cant concentrate..." personally at you...

Ok, then I apologise to you. Since everything else was directed at me I took that comment the same way.

Of course I agree with you - concentration is essential.

[SPman]

Might be time to take a deep breath and make a fresh start in a couple of days I think.

Yup, unfortunately when emotions,religion, politics and egos start taking hold, rationality cowers behind the nearest gargre!

Preferably with a good Rum...(or in the case of you heathens down south, a good malt!)

Think I'll crank up some Bad Brains

[Hitcher]

Yup, unfortunately when emotions,religion, politics and egos start taking hold, rationality cowers behind the nearest gargre!

Preferably with a good Rum...(or in the case of you heathens down south, a good malt!)

Think I'll crank up some Bad Brains

There is a time and a place for a good rum, even in a malt drinker's gargre...

Cockspur is a most excellent tipple!

Unfortunately the same can't be said for that egregious Coruba, even with Coke.

[Alan Wilkinson]

you know nothing about me or how my salary gets paid. once again, you are making ill-informed conclusions about things that you don't know anything about.

Let me see, you scrape people off the roads, discuss traffic laws and regulations with Spud, I don't pay your salary - you must be a self-employed road cleaner.

[Mongoose]

Let me see, you scrape people off the roads, discuss traffic laws and regulations with Spud, I don't pay your salary - you must be a self-employed road cleaner.

Another example of your conclusion reaching Alan? I hope it works a lot better on all you facts and figures you spout, your conclusions that is?

[marty]

maybe i'm a just well read, researching, educated individual who has experienced plenty and lived my own life at 110%, instead of experiencing it vicariously.

or maybe i'm a road cleaner.

does it matter?

[Alan Wilkinson]

Just an earnest seeker after whatever truth can be had here, Mongoose.

Cheers for tonight.

[Mongoose]

Just an earnest seeker after whatever truth can be had here, Mongoose.

Cheers for tonight.

If you were a seeker of the truth and a researcher, you would not keep making a complete plonker out of yourself by jumping to conclusions. If your analitical mind had paid attention it was pointed out to you way back there that you were barking up the wrong tree and yet you continue to make the same mistake, is this also possible in other things you do?

[Waylander]

If you were a seeker of the truth and a researcher, you would not keep making a complete plonker out of yourself by jumping to conclusions

Nor would you be insulting members of this forum.

[marty]

Just an earnest seeker after whatever truth can be had here, Mongoose.

Cheers for tonight.

no you're not - you're a fucking nosy whinger that has an opinion on everything, but knowledge about nothing.

cheers

[Hitcher]

Mr Wilkinson

While I may agree with some of the issues "fast and safe" promulgates, I am having increasing difficulty accepting your abusive and bullying tone, particularly towards some of my Kiwibiker friends and others here whose opinions I respect considerably.

This site is special to those of us who choose to frequent it and socialise here for a whole bunch of reasons. If you would take the chance to hang out and socialise a bit in other threads -- even some of the seemingly inane ones -- you may start to develop some appreciation for what it is that binds us together. You will note that we often disagree strongly on some things but that is often offset by other matters on which we fervently agree. Who knows, if we got to know you a bit better we may see something more than a one-dimensional, arrogant boor.

We are all bikers here. That is one passion we have in common. We are a very broad church but I think one that is a pretty representative cross-section both of bikers and of New Zealanders, for that matter.

This is a pretty special place and one that is frequented by REAL people. People who deserve some courtesy and respect.

[SPman]

There is a time and a place for a good rum, even in a malt drinker's gargre...

Cockspur is a most excellent tipple!

Unfortunately the same can't be said for that egregious Coruba, even with Coke.

Cockspur. - cant say I've tried it.

Some cocks have certainly been spurred on this thread, the last few days!

Coruba!.....soap and water!