Fast and Safe

**spudchucka** · 10th February 2005, 19:41

Originally Posted by Alan Wilkinson

Traffic policing now costs around $350M per annum. Fines and current court costs re speeding are probably another $150M. Better roads reduce casualties (save Health and ACC costs) as well as contributing to future wealth in many ways and reducing future welfare costs.

There is plenty of money now being wasted that could be redirected.

How much of your national four lane highway will $350M purchase?

**spudchucka** · 10th February 2005, 19:43

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

That's what the Govt is claiming - less crime. Actually less 'reported' crime. Not necessarily the same thing.

Under reporting has always been an issue with crime statistics. Can you prove that it is anymore of a problem now than it ever has been?

**Mongoose** · 10th February 2005, 19:46

Originally Posted by spudchucka

How much of your national four lane highway will $350M purchase?

Oi, i was saving that for later

And if privately built, that would only happen where a return was viable, so what about all the other raods?

**spudchucka** · 10th February 2005, 19:53

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

For those that are interested, go back to the first few pages. Check who started abusive replies.

Kindly pointed out by Indo in post #33, Alan Wilkinson insults anybody that wants to go slower than him by calling them less educated & poorer than him, (from his web site).

the people who want to go slower are typically 'less educated, poorer' whereas those who want to go faster are 'more educated and affulent'.
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**Mongoose** · 10th February 2005, 19:56

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Kindly pointed out by Indo in post #33, Alan Wilkinson insults anybody that wants to go slower than him by calling them less educated & poorer than him, (from his web site).

reminds me of something else I read.
Ever notice how those that drive slower than you are idiots and those that drive faster than you are maniacs?

**Mongoose** · 10th February 2005, 20:21

Originally Posted by speedpro

I don't think Alan is arguing that people are being hurt or killed. The issue is what to do about what is causing it and indeed what is actually causing it.
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Forgive some of us who may apear cynical of Alan Wilkinson, but after having another look at his site(that will pleaee him, another return visit for his site stats) it is so slanted anti police it strays away from what its intended, stated purpose is.
Statements like
Rigid speed limit enforcement by the NZ police produced no change in fatality trend but a large upward trend in crashes and injuries in every district. Waikato got it sooner - with the introduction of hidden speed cameras. Excessive speeding tickets just mean more traffic injuries but no fewer deaths

Shows no causal affect, are we to believe its all because of the "Rigid" speed limit enforcement that the crash rate went up? Thank goodness i live in another country called the South Island and seem to have missed these "Rigid" enforcements. Come to think about it, there has been reports on this site of this "Rigid" enforcement NOT being followed.

**Blakamin** · 10th February 2005, 20:36

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Kindly pointed out by Indo in post #33, Alan Wilkinson insults anybody that wants to go slower than him by calling them less educated & poorer than him, (from his web site).

round here we just call them "retired" or "tourists"

**madboy** · 10th February 2005, 20:55

Originally Posted by Blakamin

round here we just call them "retired" or "tourists"

are there people who aren't retired or tourists in Raumati?

**Paul in NZ** · 10th February 2005, 21:01

Originally Posted by madboy

are there people who aren't retired or tourists in Raumati?

YES! Several goat keeping Llama breeders and a bee keeper...

Oh.. And us...

Paul N

**SPman** · 10th February 2005, 21:05

Originally Posted by Mongoose

reminds me of something else I read.
Ever notice how those that drive slower than you are idiots and those that drive faster than you are maniacs?

Hmmmmmm......nope.
after a full and thorough evaluation of their driving skill, and chances of having actually sat a license test, (this should take about 7-8 secs to do ) the normal phrase that follows is along the lines of -"FFS you prick, pull your fuckin finger out- jesus kriste - were'd you get your fuckin licence - in a weetbix packet!"...or somesuch. So they are pricks! - full of malice aforethought!

with the fast ones it s normally "fuck! Where did he come from!"...let him go! (its normally him) They are normally titleless.

But thats just my opinion!

**speedpro** · 10th February 2005, 21:06

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Under reporting has always been an issue with crime statistics. Can you prove that it is anymore of a problem now than it ever has been?

I don't have a table created from some survey of thousands, BUT, , , immediate acquantances don't even consider reporting minor crimes. Could be just people I know . . . .

**speedpro** · 10th February 2005, 21:44

Quote:
Originally Posted by spudchucka
Kindly pointed out by Indo in post #33, Alan Wilkinson insults anybody that wants to go slower than him by calling them less educated & poorer than him, (from his web site).

This is typical BS that Alan has been getting from this thread. In relation to this was a link to the research by I think US academics which investigated the demographics of fast or slow drivers. They found that the more of a go-getter you were the faster you tended to drive. The less educated and lower socio-economic tended to drive slower. The old story I suppose - things to do, places to go, people to meet, and not enough time.

Annoyingly I can't find the link.

**Hitcher** · 10th February 2005, 22:02

Having followed this thread for a while I was struck in a senior moment by deja vu. Those who have been around a while may remember this as well.

BUACA!