Fast and Safe

[Paul in NZ]

In theory I support the use of motorways as major carriage ways. I would also support the possibility that speed limits could be raised on such pieces of roading.

However in reality it simply isn't going to happen in NZ unless we suddenly become a much wealthier country than we presently are. For this reason it is a redundant arguement.

I'm not sure about that.

We already have the start of a motorway system that was built at a time when we were not really all that wealthy. Extending it need not cost as much.

Of course, I suppose a lot of the old system was built by the Minsitry of Works and I'm sure private companies can do it sooo much cheaper (ha ha).

Most of the motorway here in wellie or in chch did not seem to need as much looking after as your average piece of road. The old roads are built on top of old cart tracks but motorways seem to get a proper route and base and thus last longer.

I dunno. What I think is really missing is the desire to do this. The current govt contains a lot of people that actively dislike cars (and yet refuse to spend money on public transport)... Either they know the petrol is about to run out and are not telling or they are all mad.

Besides, if they built a decent motorway we could have the other roads to play on... woo hoo....

Paul N

[Alan Wilkinson]

Bullshit!Bullshit!Bullshit!Bullshit!Bullshit!Bulls hit!Bullshit!Bullshit!Bullshit!Bullshit!Bullshit!B ullshit!Bullshit!Bullshit!Bullshit!Bullshit!Bullsh it!...

Squawk! Squawk! Polly wants a cracker?

[Alan Wilkinson]

I'm not sure about that.
Of course, I suppose a lot of the old system was built by the Minsitry of Works and I'm sure private companies can do it sooo much cheaper (ha ha).

They already do. Private contractors build everything now.

[Alan Wilkinson]

They have been doling out legal aid to losers ever since legal aid was introduced. They haven't learnt the lesson yet. Why do you think they would suddenly learn it under your scheme?

It's in their own hands. And public pressure would force it I think.

[spudchucka]

Squawk! Squawk! Polly wants a cracker?

Dork! Dork! Polly sticks the cracker up Alan's arse!

[spudchucka]

I'm not sure about that.

We already have the start of a motorway system that was built at a time when we were not really all that wealthy. Extending it need not cost as much.

Of course, I suppose a lot of the old system was built by the Minsitry of Works and I'm sure private companies can do it sooo much cheaper (ha ha).

Most of the motorway here in wellie or in chch did not seem to need as much looking after as your average piece of road. The old roads are built on top of old cart tracks but motorways seem to get a proper route and base and thus last longer.

I dunno. What I think is really missing is the desire to do this. The current govt contains a lot of people that actively dislike cars (and yet refuse to spend money on public transport)... Either they know the petrol is about to run out and are not telling or they are all mad.

Besides, if they built a decent motorway we could have the other roads to play on... woo hoo....

Paul N

The sort of road that Alan wants would be so expensive it would put motoring out of reach of ordinary paople. But then again I somehow think that is what Alan really wants.

[spudchucka]

You ask me for the links and then refuse to look at them.

Fine, shows everyone what your views are worth.

He said he wants independant facts. Not links to your own self serving propaganda.

[Alan Wilkinson]

He said he wants independant facts. Not links to your own self serving propaganda.

No, he didn't. He said (post 541):

you'll have to post a link to that fact alan, cause i can't find it.

And anyway all the data I plot comes straight from LTSA and the NZ Police as per the spreadsheets. They're not my facts, they're theirs.

[Alan Wilkinson]

Dork! Dork! Polly sticks the cracker up Alan's arse!

Ah, the pleasure of open discussion with the intellectual giants of our NZ police force.

[Paul in NZ]

They already do. Private contractors build everything now.

I was being a bit sarcastic Alan. Driving in from Kapiti and watching the snails pace at which these guys build roads. I long for the good old days, the MOW does not seem so bad now...

Paul N

[Paul in NZ]

The sort of road that Alan wants would be so expensive it would put motoring out of reach of ordinary paople. But then again I somehow think that is what Alan really wants.

I know what you mean. Sadly, this seems to be the view of everyone that obtains enough $$ for an XR8 or something with 4x4 on the side.

It's probably at the core of the problem eh?

At the other end, we have commercial operators that roll out onto the roads with overloaded and underpowered trucks / busses that can barely manage 50kph up a slight hill (while bellowing black smoke)

I've had brand new company cars and shit and it turned me into an arrogant wanker (residual effects still present - sorry about that) and thats another reason I like my humble Starlet. Keeps me real...

Paul N

[Alan Wilkinson]

I was being a bit sarcastic Alan. Driving in from Kapiti and watching the snails pace at which these guys build roads. I long for the good old days, the MOW does not seem so bad now...
Paul N

That (slowness) is something I've noticed too. There has to be a reason. Either the way money is dolled out or some other bureaucratic road blocks.

[spudchucka]

Ah, the pleasure of open discussion with the intellectual giants of our NZ police force.

Get fucked!

[Alan Wilkinson]

Oh dear, now you're on about the parrot's crack as well as mine. From bad to worse.

... but now you've edited it out.

[Blakamin]

And anyway all the data I plot comes straight from LTSA and the NZ Police as per the spreadsheets. They're not my facts, they're theirs.

thought you said

I didn't make the chart(s). If you bother to look you will see both were referenced from authoritative external sources.

or were those just the charts for the rest of the world?
I f you dont care about the rest of the world, why are you comparing them?
why not just look at the stats and say "shit, road deaths are dropping all the time"
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