Biker runs from cops

[scumdog]

...at least I you died trying to get away.. I"ve got live insurance!
RIP Dude!

Oh yes, life is a LOT better when you'r dead........look at all the fun things you can do when you're dead...

[humphrt]

i can see the temptation to run is very high, especially on a bike. in most cases we can completely outperform a police car. but the question you have to ask yourself is "is it really worth it". its not a snap decision(only my opinion) its something that you've all probably already made up your mind on and you will(in most cases anyway) act on that. i know that for myself i would probably pull over. although as i ride a VTR250 i would have a hard time keeping away from them.

[Subike]

the end result of a bad run is always this

[Mr Triple]

the end result of a bad run is always this

[candor]

To even suggest cops SHOULDN'T give chase is just pathetic & is a good indication of a persons general IQ in my book.

Not really - its a good indication that someone is aware of the pertinent facts. In Countries with lax policies allowing excess high speed chases (like NZ) 1-2% of chases end in a death - often the driver, next most often innocents, and many more in those serious injuries NZ has too many of. Chases overall UP the harm - they do not on average reduce the risk posed by a dodgy driver. The people least at risk from them are cops.

In places like Toronto with restrictive chase policies (eg don't chase speeders or young drivers or seriously impaired drivers or discontinue close range chase if the driving is dangerous - that includes the cops eg on undivided highway or getting real fast and furious)... the chase toll was zero in recent years. And there wa no reduction in convictions for serious offences. It stands to reason - because unlike how the spin Drs paint it the majority of dangerous chases occur for small offence triggers.

Its simple mathematics. If cop policy writers are interested in the road toll (truly) they would reexamine their chase policies and adopt best practise guidfelines based on the scientific evidence avail. The fact they haven't, even after continual outcries from innocent victims the last decade, shows there must be a hidden agenda. Hello Michael Cullen

To say - they run, they deserve it does not account for the whole picture and is pretty harsh. Better decisions on both sides would mean a lot fewer messes. Runners need to have harsher penalties slapped on them to deter, but the death penalty for them or others is a bit extreme isn't it.

Some of you males with your ?male way of thinking might think people just need to HTFU and accept the consequences of their risks, even death. If so thats a bit sad really as others have to see / grieve over the mess, as well as innocents oft becoming part of it. Its not like mountainclimbing where I guess you can just decide to RIP fussfree under the avalanche. Prevention beats cure.

Anarchy does not reign crime or road safety wise where Police adopt sensible (restrictive) chase policies. More young idiots just get the chance to grow up and to not be idiots, they arrive home after a sensible cop decides not to play cat and mouse... making the situation immeasurably more dangerous 4 all.

[Boob Johnson]

Not really - its a good indication that someone is aware of the pertinent facts. In Countries with lax policies allowing excess high speed chases (like NZ) 1-2% of chases end in a death - often the driver, next most often innocents, and many more in those serious injuries NZ has too many of. Chases overall UP the harm - they do not on average reduce the risk posed by a dodgy driver. The people least at risk from them are cops.

In places like Toronto with restrictive chase policies (eg don't chase speeders or young drivers or seriously impaired drivers or discontinue close range chase if the driving is dangerous - that includes the cops eg on undivided highway or getting real fast and furious)... the chase toll was zero in recent years. And there wa no reduction in convictions for serious offences. It stands to reason - because unlike how the spin Drs paint it the majority of dangerous chases occur for small offence triggers.

Its simple mathematics. If cop policy writers are interested in the road toll (truly) they would reexamine their chase policies and adopt best practise guidfelines based on the scientific evidence avail. The fact they haven't, even after continual outcries from innocent victims the last decade, shows there must be a hidden agenda. Hello Michael Cullen

To say - they run, they deserve it does not account for the whole picture and is pretty harsh. Better decisions on both sides would mean a lot fewer messes. Runners need to have harsher penalties slapped on them to deter, but the death penalty for them or others is a bit extreme isn't it.

Some of you males with your ?male way of thinking might think people just need to HTFU and accept the consequences of their risks, even death. If so thats a bit sad really as others have to see / grieve over the mess, as well as innocents oft becoming part of it. Its not like mountainclimbing where I guess you can just decide to RIP fussfree under the avalanche. Prevention beats cure.

Anarchy does not reign crime or road safety wise where Police adopt sensible (restrictive) chase policies. More young idiots just get the chance to grow up and to not be idiots, they arrive home after a sensible cop decides not to play cat and mouse... making the situation immeasurably more dangerous 4 all.

Hard not to agree, but im talking about current law in THIS country.

The thing that really pisses me off to no end is how easy it is to get a license in this country, it's a bloody joke! If the gubba mint were sooooooooooooooo FARKING interested in the road toll they would have a hole lot more hoops to jump through, similar to Germany, just the cost alone ($2,000 Euro's for a car license) is enough for most to respect it more than we do here, let alone the rest of it they have to go through. It's harder to buy a packet of potato chips than get a car license let alone a bike license here. Hard to believe that this gubba mint is THAT interested in lowering the road toll

[jrandom]

I wonder how many of the fucking pillocks on here who are constantly recommending doing a runner...

Nobody ever recommends doing a runner and crashing.

$400 worth of tickets (or similar) vs loss of life.

Or close to a couple thousand dollars worth of tickets/fines/court costs/impound fees and six to eighteen months of no licence, vs... about the same, but with a good chance of getting away scot free?

Because, as we all know, judges don't come down on you for failing to stop if it doesn't result in an additional charge of some other sort.

It all depends how you weigh it up.

Well worth the gamble eh?

It's worked well for some, not at all for others. One is inclined to come to certain conclusions based on that. The odds vary enormously in different circumstances.

[marty]

In Countries with lax policies allowing excess high speed chases (like NZ) 1-2% of chases end in a death - often the driver, next most often innocents, .

really? where does this stat come from?

[Grahameeboy]

The guy should not have run and there is no one else to blame, however, given that there have been enough stories like this I still wonder what the Police have to gain by giving chase when, as trained and rational professionals, they know the real and potential dangers of 'chases'...in the same vein that we say is doing a runner worth it for the sake of a fine etc, is the Police giving chase really worth the outcome...either way it's dollars or death...what is worth more?

[Patrick]

I wonder how many of the fucking pillocks on here who are constantly recommending doing a runner, are patting themselves on the back right about now.

Gotta spread the bling..... will get back to ya.

All I can say is, I'd be bloody tempted to do a runner - city or no city - if I knew they'd clocked me doing more than 40 km/h above. But that is simply because the law is, in its current form, violating basic civil liberties such as the right to due process.

I'd wager most of the people condemning his actions on here would have laughed and bought him a beer for sticking it to the man tonight at the pub. (if it had been one of their own mates that is)

Read the back of the documents that you get given. You have rights to due process, all in writing on the back....

You could say the same thing about someone who gets arrested and taken to the cells. They get locked up without being convicted...

"Do nothing" really isn't an option.

As for buying him a beer... I would piss in it, and in the beer of the one who bought it for him.

Hard not to agree, but im talking about current law in THIS country.

The thing that really pisses me off to no end is how easy it is to get a license in this country,

But even though it is so easy and in comparison, dirt cheap in this country, the lazy arses still don't go and get one, they merely drive around without one... At $2000 a pop, this would only increase.

[FJRider]

the end result of a bad run is always this

or this....

[Patrick]

The guy should not have run and there is no one else to blame, however, given that there have been enough stories like this I still wonder what the Police have to gain by giving chase when, as trained and rational professionals, they know the real and potential dangers of 'chases'...in the same vein that we say is doing a runner worth it for the sake of a fine etc, is the Police giving chase really worth the outcome...either way it's dollars or death...what is worth more?

Times change. The moment it gets dangerous or risky, that is it. Comms WIL call it off, if the driver or his partner haven't already done so.

Initially though, doing nothing sends a completely wrong message. Some "chases" end without incident, moments later after the brain fart cleared.

The lawmakers say that failing to stop (pursuit) is a maximum $10,000 fine only. I have yet to see a punishing conviction of any kind for this offence. It is always convicted and discharged - no penalty at all.... That will learn em. Pffftttt....

Make the penaly extremely harsh. Make em become bubbas cell mate. For quite some time.......

[jrandom]

I still note that the real reason this ended in tears was that the guy fucked up and crashed.

You can fuck up and crash when you're not running from the police, too, y'know.

Arguing that runners are a bad idea because sometimes guys do them and crash is as valid as arguing that motorcycles are a bad idea because sometimes guys ride them and crash.

[jrandom]

Make the penaly extremely harsh. Make em become bubbas cell mate. For quite some time.......

You make it sound almost as though you take it personally. There's a lot of irritation behind that post.

[NordieBoy]

You can't tell me that there aren't officers that enjoy the thrill of the chase.

And bikers don't?