What decides how you vote?

**James Deuce** · 5th November 2008, 18:00

My own opinion of what constitutes "best for the country" may be completely at odds with yours. It could even be misconstrued as selfish.

Debating via idiom is never a winning proposition.

**xwhatsit** · 5th November 2008, 18:02

Originally Posted by The Stranger

Good excuse to not have to consider anyone else and continue to be a selfish prick. But hey tell yourself what you need to rest easy.

I could say the same about you of course -- you want your tax cuts over my mother's ability to get good hospital treatment and my (and my sister's) ability to spent time in university lectures instead of working (and having a manageable student loan by the time we graduate). But I won't, because it sounds awfully melodramatic.

EDIT: Jim2 said exactly what I couldn't quite work out how to say

**The Stranger:Me** · 5th November 2008, 18:07

Originally Posted by xwhatsit

I could say the same about you of course -- you want your tax cuts over my mother's ability to get good hospital treatment and my (and my sister's) ability to spent time in university lectures instead of working (and having a manageable student loan by the time we graduate). But I won't, because it sounds awfully melodramatic.

Damn you are thick. Where the fuck did I say that?
You assume. You know what they say - assumption is the mother of all fuck ups - though your mother may be the exception.

**Gremlin** · 5th November 2008, 18:12

I fundamentally believe that when businesses prosper, the nation prospers. ie, as business does well, it earns more, flow ons include, more staff, better pay (assuming the business is a) a good one, b) doesn't want to lose its staff to the other growing businesses), pays more tax (gyah) etc.

Help the average guy, at the expense of business, well, it suffers, can't employ as many, etc. Sure, a few assumptions in there, but capitalism does fix a lot of it (competitiveness).

However... we either seem to have liars, extremists or centre-ists (new word?) so its a little hard. Will vote National, 1) wanting to stop being told what the fuck to do every minute of the day by Labour, 2) hoping to high hell it will provide somewhat of a more favourable climate for businesses to focus on doing what they do best.

**alanzs** · 5th November 2008, 18:14

The cool thing is that we all CAN vote. Sure beats the alternative...

**Chisanga** · 5th November 2008, 18:50

Originally Posted by alanzs

The cool thing is that we all CAN vote. Sure beats the alternative...

Celebrity Deathmatch between Key and Clark? Sounds good to me...

**MisterD** · 5th November 2008, 19:38

Originally Posted by The Stranger

He was making his decision based on what he could get for free from others and on what was best for him as an individual and not on what is best for us as a nation.
That to me is greed and selfishness; I didn’t raise my kids like that.

Have you actually pointed out that by time that policy comes in, he'll be out of Uni and his taxes will be paying for someone else's education? Sheesh, remember when Uni students were intelligent?

**Her_C4** · 5th November 2008, 19:56

Originally Posted by McJim

I will vote for a party whose policies I agree with ....

I found this 'interesting' http://www.pundit.co.nz/content/election-quiz

**scracha** · 5th November 2008, 20:26

It's my first time in eNZed during and election. Man am a flabbergasted at the negativity and dirty campaigning methods by most of the parties.

"I can't trust you Mr Key"...I mean.. FFS.

**Skyryder** · 5th November 2008, 20:32

Originally Posted by The Stranger

The other day I was having a conversation with one of my boys and I asked him who he was going to vote for. He replied that he was going to vote labour as they had the best lollies (well ok, he didn’t say lollies) for uni students.

I was aghast, why would a son of mine do such a thing, I had thought I had raised my kids better than that. I did what any right minded father should do and I gave him a well deserved beating - thank goodness there are no laws against disciplining your children.

He was making his decision based on what he could get for free from others and on what was best for him as an individual and not on what is best for us as a nation.
That to me is greed and selfishness; I didn’t raise my kids like that.

Well he was being honest so ya must have instilled some values. Not like Key who lies.

Most vote on policies that will be of benifit to the indavidual that's why parties have policies at election time so you can make up your mind which one is going to be of the most benifit. Both parties tax policies is a case in point. It's sold as having more money in your pocket not as how it will effect the economy.
Some go further and look at how the policies will impact nationally but this usually involves an ideology based on the persons personal philosophy.

Skyryder

**Qkkid** · 5th November 2008, 20:43

Originally Posted by Skyryder

Well he was being honest so ya must have instilled some values. Not like Key who lies.

Most vote on policies that will be of benifit to the indavidual that's why parties have policies at election time so you can make up your mind which one is going to be of the most benifit. Both parties tax policies is a case in point. It's sold as having more money in your pocket not as how it will effect the economy.
Some go further and look at how the policies will impact nationally but this usually involves an ideology based on the persons personal philosophy.

Skyryder

Skyrider is obviously a Labour person "LOL"
I am sure all politicians are not up front as we would like them to be.

Helen spends to much time trying to find dirt on Key and it hasnt stuck and tries to say" its got nothing to do with me i know nuttting". What a fucken lie if you ask me

I am a National voter and proud of it

Time for a change

**rachprice** · 5th November 2008, 20:44

Originally Posted by The Stranger

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Clearly being selfless is the better option for all.

Hmm I agree with xwhatsit, can you really call ANYTHING you do selfless?
Even charity work and the like isnt selfless, you do it because YOU feel good after you have done it, that you have made a difference
So it isnt really selfless at all...

**Qkkid** · 5th November 2008, 20:49

Originally Posted by rachprice

Hmm I agree with xwhatsit, can you really call ANYTHING you do selfless?
Even charity work and the like isnt selfless, you do it because YOU feel good after you have done it, that you have made a difference
So it isnt really selfless at all...

Its called havin your say

**rachprice** · 5th November 2008, 20:53

Originally Posted by Qkkid

Its called havin your say

Huh? That has nothing to do with what I said

I actually commented on initial post about how his sons opinion may be different.

I agree with voting on what you think will be the best for the country
but the strangers post attacking xwhatsit for acting selfishly was rather hypocritical
when you get down to it everything we do is selfish...some things to a higher degree than others