What decides how you vote?

[Yakman12]

Your first reply was doing ok. Don't loose the plot.

We have all been students and I never argued against education, only that there are other valid perspectives beyond the narrow focus of your reply.

haha don't get your nickers in a twist simply because I'm making a point

I'm sure you can use your brain and work out my focus is not so narrow as to believe being a student is the only way to go

I simply believe higher education is important for society

[MadDuck]

Intellectuals are for burning.

Or sending to Aussie

[The Stranger:Me]

haha don't get your nickers in a twist simply because I'm making a point

I'm sure you can use your brain and work out my focus is not so narrow as to believe being a student is the only way to go

I simply believe higher education is important for society

Knickers are all good here thanks, don't kid yourself, you are going to have to work a lot harder than that to bunch em up.

No I wouldn't presume anything about you really, shit I don't even know you.
I simply read your post and addressed the points you raise.
However pleased to see you have softened you approach and quickly back pedalled.

[xwhatsit]

He put up a stupid ill-considered argument, just as you did. Then set about attempting character assassination in post #18. This is not school or daycare. Get used to it.

Wasn't attempting character assassination, I was just trying to say (Jim2 put it much better with less resulting fireworks) that each of us have a different idea of what's best for the country. I reckon we'll probably be better off under Labour. I'm not really going to go into why, that's not really a productive argument to have here .

Hence you can call anybody who will be voting for somebody else `selfish', because it looks like it from your viewpoint and your policies. I know it sounds tremendously silly, but zoom out a bit and try and see things from more than just your own point of view.

I think though, that probably 8 or 9 out of 10 people will be voting for their own wallet. Regardless of who they're voting for; Maori Party, ALCP (cheaper weed, less jail time!), National, Labour, ACT, whatever.

[Bass]

They should at least set a minimum IQ limit... otherwise its undervalued, thats why I never went.

Im 21, and never been to Uni, yet I will outclass any post grad student in my field.

But it seems to me that it's you who are doing the undervaluing.
OK, I have an engineering degree and so I guess I am biassed.
Even so, I will grant you that in the long run, there is just no substitute for experience.
Despite that however, I will bet you a week's pay that it's people with that fancy bit of paper you mention, that arranged for your 600 to have somewhere in the neighbourhood of 110 h.p. (perhaps more) and that the tyres stick to the road. Further, that it's similarly qualified people who organised that your DRZ handles the rough stuff pretty well.

Stop and look around you. Yes experience MATTERS - a lot - but for every bit of technology you see that makes your life easier or longer or fun or cleaner or ..... etc etc there will be more than a sprinkling of uni grads who had a hand in its creation.

You seem to resent them when they have had a very beneficial influence on your life.

Oh, and by the way, it was said decades ago that " a country gets the government it deserves". This discussion leads inescapably to that conclusion.

[Yakman12]

But it seems to me that it's you who are doing the undervaluing.
OK, I have an engineering degree and so I guess I am biassed.
Even so, I will grant you that in the long run, there is just no substitute for experience.
Despite that however, I will bet you a week's pay that it's people with that fancy bit of paper you mention, that arranged for your 600 to have somewhere in the neighbourhood of 110 h.p. (perhaps more) and that the tyres stick to the road. Further, that it's similarly qualified people who organised that your DRZ handles the rough stuff pretty well.

Stop and look around you. Yes experience MATTERS - a lot - but for every bit of technology you see that makes your life easier or longer or fun or cleaner or ..... etc etc there will be more than a sprinkling of uni grads who had a hand in its creation.

You seem to resent them when they have had a very beneficial influence on your life.

It seems to me a large amount of people resent uni grads, particularly those around middle-age

possibly because higher education wasn't as important to people then as it is now? people didn't need to go to uni?

or is it just that NZ still likes to cut tall poppies?

[Yakman12]

Knickers are all good here thanks, don't kid yourself, you are going to have to work a lot harder than that to bunch em up.

No I wouldn't presume anything about you really, shit I don't even know you.
I simply read your post and addressed the points you raise.
However pleased to see you have softened you approach and quickly back pedalled.

its important to be flexible enough to accept different points of view

I'll back peddle if i learn new information that makes me see things differently

if i didn't, i would be a pig-headed fool

[The Lone Rider]

I always pick the candidates with the nicest knockers...


Nah. I don't vote.

As GB said to me last night, it's his right to vote and he will do it!

As I replied, its my right to spend my life wanking obssessively, but I don't do it.

[The Stranger:Me]

Wasn't attempting character assassination, I was just trying to say (Jim2 put it much better with less resulting fireworks) that each of us have a different idea of what's best for the country. I reckon we'll probably be better off under Labour. I'm not really going to go into why, that's not really a productive argument to have here .

Hence you can call anybody who will be voting for somebody else `selfish', because it looks like it from your viewpoint and your policies. I know it sounds tremendously silly, but zoom out a bit and try and see things from more than just your own point of view.

I think though, that probably 8 or 9 out of 10 people will be voting for their own wallet. Regardless of who they're voting for; Maori Party, ALCP (cheaper weed, less jail time!), National, Labour, ACT, whatever.

Well thank you.
Sure we will all have a different idea of what is best for the country, we are all different and that's as it should be, hence we have elections. Fortunate too, your idea may be correct and mine wrong.

Voting for whom you believe to be the best for the country is not at all selfish and I wouldn't dare to suggest that simply because I don't agree with who you vote for you are selfish.

I would however call you selfish - and short sighted if you simply voted based on what's best for you, without regard for the country (and it's citizens) as a whole.

As to your "tremendously silly" suggestion. That is exactly what I suggested we all should do. Zoom out and look at things from more than just your point of view.

You may well be correct the largest number will probably will vote for/with their wallet and in doing so will ensure that they are disapointed in time for next election and no doubt repeat the cycle agian and again all the while wondering why our lot never gets any better.
But that's for those that don't know any better isn't it, wont happen to you and I.

[Bass]

He put up a stupid ill-considered argument, just as you did. Then set about attempting character assassination in post #18. This is not school or daycare. Get used to it.

I know it's late in the day to be bringing this up, but actually.........post #18 was yours

[The Stranger:Me]

if i didn't, i would be a pig-headed fool

Now see, that's exactly why I didn't want to presume to know what you were thinking isn't it. I may have got the wrong impression of you.

[The Stranger:Me]

I know it's late in the day to be bringing this up, but actually.........post #18 was yours

BWAHAHAHA, you are quite correct.
Sorry I tend to enjoy a good debate a little too much.
Should have been 17. I shall correct it.

[Qkkid]

Now see, that's exactly why I didn't want to presume to know what you were thinking isn't it. I may have got the wrong impression of you.

Well fuck me not another apology its starting to make me quite sick

[The Stranger:Me]

Well fuck me not another apology its starting to make me quite sick

Sorry Steve.

[The Pastor]

The other day I was having a conversation with one of my boys and I asked him who he was going to vote for. He replied that he was going to vote labour as they had the best lollies (well ok, he didn’t say lollies) for uni students.

I was aghast, why would a son of mine do such a thing, I had thought I had raised my kids better than that. I did what any right minded father should do and I gave him a well deserved beating - thank goodness there are no laws against disciplining your children.

He was making his decision based on what he could get for free from others and on what was best for him as an individual and not on what is best for us as a nation.
That to me is greed and selfishness; I didn’t raise my kids like that.

did you teach him a lesson with your fists?