Sorry Katman, but fu@king cagers!

[dangerous]

I moved a little closer to the newbie to protect his tail

To be honest not something I would reconmend... you both could have been taken out, bikes spaced out is safer and in general looks bigger on the road so makes cages more awear.

Yesterday I was coaching, and sat 100m behind the newbee, not only is this safer but it takes pressure off the learner and they can relax more know they have space. All IMHO

[ynot slow]

Tough desision re closer or further away,and with a split second to think about it.That is the tough part the time to react.

Somehow you can't help thinking we need a few large paddocks to let all drivers have a play,can remember that when I was 15 or so,friends had a few flat acres to play in,especially after haymaking when paddocks are mowed.The neighbours oldest son let us have a play in his mk 2 escort,handbrakes,crossed up moves all in controlled area,well unless ya got close to the fences,worked well with the ts185 and dt175 at the time too.

Sure I like to let the XR6 go slide ways if no cars are around,and a quiet road and doing it from a standing start,but not at every corner.

Be interesting the crash stats from under 20yr drivers,either fatal or non injury,and the link to type of car,reckon the so called 4wd safe type will be top of the list,mostly evo or wrx.Wouldn't be many so called standard 4wd on the list,the reason we have the 250 learners class is to learn ,why not similar for cars whilst learning.

[madbikeboy]

I was chatting to a SGT who stopped a heap of us on SH16 over the weekend, I was complaining about the boy racers who use our area (winding road in the East Coast Bays) as a racetrack. The cops view was simple, he believed that if compulsary 3rd Party insurance was required, then most of the boy racer cars would not get insurance, and therefore be unable to drive on the road. It would price them out of the equation.

I like the idea of everyone having compulsary insurance anyhow...

As for Daddy buying Jonny a better car, cool, more chance that this time he'll do the job properly and the gene pool will be cleansed.

[CookMySock]

The cops view was simple, he believed that if compulsary 3rd Party insurance was required, then most of the boy racer cars would not get insurance, and therefore be unable to drive on the road. It would price them out of the equation.

While I do not disagree with you, what about my 15 y/o son? Has his own after-school job, saves up seven grand, buys black GT250R, top of his year academically, super nice kid, uber-responsible, young-achievers award, takes great care with others rights, feelings, and property. Unlikely he could afford even 3rd party, and there would be no point as the excess would be enormous.

It is fine to want a simple solution, but there will be side-effects.

Steve

[slimjim]

yes i won't have closed in on the gap...i would have moved slightly wider to cover the prick from scarying the newbe..sticking glove outwards to ..to enlighten behind vehicle that it needs to give clearance is another sign too...and if its dangerous...all pull over safetly an dail though the plate...fuck its a right use it..

[The Pastor]

I was chatting to a SGT who stopped a heap of us on SH16 over the weekend, I was complaining about the boy racers who use our area (winding road in the East Coast Bays) as a racetrack. The cops view was simple, he believed that if compulsary 3rd Party insurance was required, then most of the boy racer cars would not get insurance, and therefore be unable to drive on the road. It would price them out of the equation.

I like the idea of everyone having compulsary insurance anyhow...

As for Daddy buying Jonny a better car, cool, more chance that this time he'll do the job properly and the gene pool will be cleansed.

because boy racers abide by all road laws

[Slyer]

While I do not disagree with you, what about my 15 y/o son? Has his own after-school job, saves up seven grand, buys black GT250R, top of his year academically, super nice kid, uber-responsible, young-achievers award, takes great care with others rights, feelings, and property. Unlikely he could afford even 3rd party, and there would be no point as the excess would be enormous.

It is fine to want a simple solution, but there will be side-effects.

Steve

Third party is like $80 for a whole year.
It is VERY worth it, I'd agree with compulsory third party.

Whatever the excess is it'll sure beat paying whatever damage you cause to those expensive cars out there.

[Badjelly]

While I do not disagree with you, what about my 15 y/o son? Has his own after-school job, saves up seven grand, buys black GT250R, top of his year academically, super nice kid, uber-responsible, young-achievers award, takes great care with others rights, feelings, and property. Unlikely he could afford even 3rd party, and there would be no point as the excess would be enormous.

Perhaps he could buy a car with cheaper 3rd party insurance rates?

[Badjelly]

Third party is like $80 for a whole year.

Sorry, I didn't notice this before posting my previous message.


Really? For a 15 year old with a boy racer car?

[Slyer]

For my 250 on my learners it was $72.
His son has a 250 not a boyracer.

[Badjelly]

RE the original issue, I'm sure the guy was an idiot, but I think closing the gap on an overtaking vehicle is always a bad idea.

[McDuck]

I want gloves with titanium knuckels

[Slyer]

The other day I was going along a long straight at about 90 with a few cars in front of me.
On the other side of the road was a passing lane, no cars in sight. The lines are white so I go to pass on their passing lane when some boy racer comes around the corner coming straight at me.
I'm thinking oh yeah he'll realise he's meant to keep left and get out of my way. Does he? NO.
Nearly fucking takes me out...

[pritch]

I want gloves with titanium knuckels

I'd kinda like those too, Dainese do some, but I was put off by the bright yellow colour...

[Badjelly]

Third party is like $80 for a whole year.

Really? For a 15 year old with a boy racer car?

For my 250 on my learners it was $72.
His son has a 250 not a boyracer.

I was thinking of DB's son who, he says, would be hit hard if 3rd party were compulsory.