So we got a new Government, and a new Leader

[rodimus]

Finally, I can work a second job and get ahead!

About Farking time!

[The Buzz]

Apples and oranges.

Electorate boundaries and numbers of seats were completely different.

Agree, it is an interesting point though, the 45% of National party votes vs 58.6% electorate for National - really proves what MMP has brought to our country

[SARGE]

Oops! Thats right, I've left the site............

shit..me too..

[James Deuce]

Muldoon won two elections with less then 45% of the vote. FPP doesn't work how you think it does.

[Brian d marge]

Yep we've gone from RED cheats and liars to blue Cheats and liars so whats changed???

actually I agree with you , but Fellas ,,, a national gov siding with act ,, does anyone remember the early eighties ,,,and are you complaining about crime now ,,,,why cannot I stop thinking ,," you stupid Stupid people "

Market forces are nothing to do with business ,they are more to do with the free entry to and from a market and so , with a market trader at the helm ( assuming that is the thought process in place ... the one he will use ....

you lot will

Lose+ all that you call a fair shake of the stick ,

and gain...
(the reason why) crime in south Auckland is rampant

Milk costs a fortune

Katie's Shoes is no longer trading

ACC ( which only required a 1 cent tax increase ) is only a shadow of what it was

Student fees ( Yes introduced under a laborious , but a new right policy , insisted upon by the IMF when you borrowed the money )~

ahh who cares I don't live there.... any more........ there are better places in this world ...sad to say


Still I miss hooning around on..the beach .....

Stephen

brought to you by a drive by posting


PPS
DO NOT COMPLAIN IN THREE YEARS TIME ..YOU MADE THE MESS LIVE WITH IT .

[The Buzz]

Muldoon won two elections with less then 45% of the vote. FPP doesn't work how you think it does.

You are possibly right Jim. Have never voted in a FFP election, have consumed a number of beers tonight, and the champagne has just been popped. Seemed to remember that FFP was all about the one with the most electorate seats wins, obviously wrong! Might need to wikipedia it to swot back up on the details!

[JMemonic]

Oh joy, medical bills increased, ACC privatised, interest back on student loans, as to how they propose to keep the promises made re hospital care, police, crime etc ffs.

Oh btw a global monetary crisis is umm global little our government does can alter how that works.

At the end of the day stuff all changes, except the lunatics supposedly in charge.

[James Deuce]

You are possibly right Jim. Have never voted in a FFP election, have consumed a number of beers tonight, and the champagne has just been popped. Seemed to remember that FFP was all about the one with the most electorate seats wins, obviously wrong! Might need to wikipedia it to swot back up on the details!

Yes that's right. The most electorate seats.

In those days a rural seat containing 20000 voters gained a seat in parliament the same way one with 100000 did. This allowed a party to gain a majority of seats in Parliament without commanding a clear lead in the popular vote. In those days Gerrymandering was rife, with subtle shifts in electoral boundaries ensuring that an electorate contained clear majorities of one type of voter. No wonder Politicians have begun a subtle campaign to return to FPP.

National used the support of rural NZ to win the majority of 20th Century elections in NZ, leveraging off the voting habits of business oriented farmers and their supporting communities, effectively disenfranchising city dwellers - people often simplistically portrayed as blue collar socialists. In an FPP election with the old electoral boundaries, the urban gains National made this election would most likely have played against their Parliamentary leadership aspirations.

[The Buzz]

Yes that's right. The most electorate seats.

In those days a rural seat containing 20000 voters gained a seat in parliament the same way one with 100000 did. This allowed a party to gain a majority of seats in Parliament without commanding a clear lead in the popular vote. In those days Gerrymandering was rife, with subtle shifts in electoral boundaries ensuring that an electorate contained clear majorities of one type of voter. No wonder Politicians have begun a subtle campaign to return to FPP.

National used the support of rural NZ to win the majority of 20th Century elections in NZ, leveraging off the voting habits of business oriented farmers and their supporting communities, effectively disenfranchising city dwellers - people often simplistically portrayed as blue collar socialists. In an FPP election with the old electoral boundaries, the urban gains National made this election would most likely have played against their Parliamentary leadership aspirations.

Hey thanks Jim for explaining that so clearly, appreciate that, it makes sense as well as things do at 12.30am in the morning!

[James Deuce]

Mate, you are pissed if I make sense. You need to drink a LOT of water before you go to bed, or that hangover will be a bitch.

[Qkkid]

Now that is what its all about you work hard you get rewarded for it, there is no free lunch good on you New Zealand

[The Buzz]

Mate, you are pissed if I make sense. You need to drink a LOT of water before you go to bed, or that hangover will be a bitch.

Well am waiting for the Olds to call in on their way back from John Key's party at Sky City - so might be a few drinks before I hit the sack, some water may be in order! Will have to have a re-read in the morning to see if you really were talking shit or not!

[Ixion]

everything worldwide is run by the Masons and bankers anyway.. they just give you the illusion of choice..

Helen v. John
Obama v. McCain
Communism v. Capitalism
Coke v. Pepsi..


..

Dude. You're back.Oh, happy day. Now there's someone worth arguing with. And now that the US has a fuzzy-wuzzy happy-clappy POTUS, Mr Putin is grinning from ear to ear.

So, how long do y' reckon before your new prezzie does a runner from Irag with his tail between his legs , and hands control of the region over to Iran and Mr Putin (Unless Israel is so ill advised as to try a pre-emptive strike on their own, in which case, woo-hoo).

Ah, this is like the old days. I've missed having a lick-spittkle running dog of the capilatist imperialist warlords on hand to abuse.

[SARGE]

meh.. mark my words commie..

somewhere between Jan 20 an mid-July.. someone will try something on US soil to see what he's made of..

lets hope hes got the balls to react in a non-Clinton way


he has my support as he is my Commander in Chief.. but he has to EARN my respect

he's not even black for fucks sake..

[Ixion]

I wouldn't be surprised if you're right. And I'm sure Mr Putin will be watching closely. If he flinches - bye-bye Georgia, Azerbijan, whateverelsestan.

I'll bet Turkey is watching too. I wouldn't take bets on Kurdistan .

I don't think he's got the balls for it, m'self, but I may be wrong, I thought JFK was a spoiled rich kid wimp.