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    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic_Sea_lily View Post
    Very interesting that in 2007 the majority of deaths were in riders 30yrs +
    Given the amount of 18-20year old's dying the past few weeks that might be different this year.

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    yeah, since petrol breached $2 a litre a lot of young people have been forced to use scooters or trade their car for a bike

    and promptly discover the hard way about road rash and how blind cagers can be

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    I've thought and thought about this and I can only reiterate conclusions that I came to a number of years ago.

    Men shouldn't be riding bikes on the road under the age of 25. The process around risk taking in the 15-19 year old age group is well documented and now increasingly understood to be caused a lack of brain development in the areas that moderate risky behaviour. Long known and understood by the military who advertise systematic butchery as "adventure", knowing that they'll appeal to a gullible and gung ho age group. This area of the brain doesn't finish developing until a bloke is around 25. There's your lack of judgement right there.

    fitting in that age braket i do agree with it. a few times after i stopd all that was going threw my head was WHY? why did i jst do that.
    i have tonned down my riding consideribly but still have to tell my self to slow down some times.
    for get about the mistakes. it took me three years to pass 5th form english, i did it in the end

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    Quote Originally Posted by letard View Post
    fitting in that age braket i do agree with it. a few times after i stopd all that was going threw my head was WHY? why did i jst do that.
    i have tonned down my riding consideribly but still have to tell my self to slow down some times.

    The force is strong with this one - perhaps he is worthy??? (no seriously well done)

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    He may be "The One".
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    Quote Originally Posted by letard View Post
    fitting in that age braket i do agree with it. a few times after i stopd all that was going threw my head was WHY? why did i jst do that.
    i have tonned down my riding consideribly but still have to tell my self to slow down some times.
    yeah, from 15 through 18 i was pretty much teh same... now almost 20 and being much more responsible... although since riding safely i've had two bins doing it versus zero bins being an idiot

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    Quote Originally Posted by motorbyclist View Post

    bollocks

    the age discrepancy could be young riders bouncing better, could be simply because of less young riders, or as you suggest perhaps old riders should re-do the graduated licence system
    Don't make me dig out the research and make you cry.

    It ain't bollocks. There is a significant and measurable difference in brain activity and hormone levels post-25 in adult human males.

    Comparatively speaking there's sod all under 25s riding bikes, even with the recent increase in bikes. Now that petrol has dropped significantly, I'm sure that bike and scooter sales will drop accordingly. Until there's comparable numbers of Under-25s on bikes, you can't use the stats to compare anything, except to make the comment that motocycling still isn't a popular under-25 pastime.
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    By observation, on week days there's more young riders than old ones. But on weekends (especially sunny ones) a whole swarm of wrinklies come out of the woodwork. Some on Harleys, some on big sprots bikes.

    Some ride well. Some I suspect don't.

    But I do believe that if you don't ride nearly every day, you lose (or never acquire) that fine edge that we call the spidey sense. Unfortunately none of the figures indicate any measure relating to annual mileage on a bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    Don't make me dig out the research and make you cry.

    It ain't bollocks. There is a significant and measurable difference in brain activity and hormone levels post-25 in adult human males.
    well aware of that
    Quote Originally Posted by James Deuce View Post
    Until there's comparable numbers of Under-25s on bikes, you can't use the stats to compare anything
    no, we can't....

    which was my point - if we can conclude anything from the stats as they are, it's to ban riders over 25, not under. but we can't, nor can we simply ban riding under 25 because of a hormonal difference that could (does) lead to risk taking.

    we could ban risk takers... oh wait, it's called dangerous driving and carries a hefty fine too

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    Quote Originally Posted by motorbyclist View Post
    well aware of that


    no, we can't....

    which was my point - if we can conclude anything from the stats as they are, it's to ban riders over 25, not under. but we can't, nor can we simply ban riding under 25 because of a hormonal difference that could (does) lead to risk taking.

    we could ban risk takers... oh wait, it's called dangerous driving and carries a hefty fine too
    Gahh!

    It's not hormones! That's only a small part of the equation.

    It's actual brain development. Under 25 year old males are fundamentally brain damaged and are like that for a reason. The really brave, really stupid ones would do all the macho work when out hunting for food or fighting other tribes. That way the clever ones got to survive and become the information repositories, and had the inter-personal skills required to live in a Matriarchal society. Chicks are hard work.

    One of the unfortunate drawbacks of a society that looks after people with special needs is that the macho under 25 population actually grows instead of being harvested and end up members of a society that frowns on risk taking.

    I'm as serious about keeping under 25 males off motorbikes as I am about wanting a world where people like Sarge don't need to do horrible things so you can sleep quietly, secure in the illusion that your world is a safe place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul in NZ View Post
    This year NZ will have a record low in the numbers of deaths on our roads and the authorities will be looking at ways to improve that in 2009.
    With the associated costs of petrol rising and falling, the statistics will be modified in a reaponse to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Guzzi Widow View Post
    It just made me wonder how wide the interpretations are when creating these reports...
    Yep, and when you're meandering through a bend and it turns all gravelly and diesel (like it quite often does here) and end up dusting off your leathers (if you're lucky). Mr plod comes along and then does you for "careless driving" as you were clearly "riding too fast for the conditions"

    $hit sometimes happens and unlike wot these statistics imply, I think $hit happens more than 3% of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrandom View Post
    It seems to say fairly clearly that we die because we can't control our machines.
    and if the dickhead i was behind today on the ducati monster is anything to go by,that is surely the case.so busy being stylish,hanging off etc,he didnt realise he was 10mm off the back bumper of the car in front.

    until she braked and he overtook her on a blind corner to avoid a collision.

    surprise surprise,he pulled in to the next pub carpark.

    nothing like a cold beer to steady the nerves after some hard riding is there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadows View Post
    The thing you need to consider here is that right handers are off camber due to the crown in the road - so it stands to reason there is more potential to fuck up on a right hander than on a left hander.
    Not quite! The 'crown' in the road cross section reduces on a corner with super-elevation (camber), with the outside lane gradually lifting as the corner tightens. This lifting continues until the crossfall of the roadway is one continuous gradient across the entire road width. On many corners this crossfall will steepen further, reaching a maximum at the apex of the corner.

    The exception to this is that urban roadways (i.e. 50km/h zones) are not normally designed with camber.

    Think I'd go with the less run-off space and optional head-on reasoning for this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naki Rat View Post
    Not quite! The 'crown' in the road cross section reduces on a corner with super-elevation (camber), with the outside lane gradually lifting as the corner tightens. This lifting continues until the crossfall of the roadway is one continuous gradient across the entire road width. On many corners this crossfall will steepen further, reaching a maximum at the apex of the corner.
    uh, what?



    i've seen many a non-urban corner with a nasty off camber, though the crown in the road usually has nothing to do with it

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