Hyosung "Hand-Grenade" GT250R

[Kornholio]

BOOM.

Whea hey hey....

[Headbanger]

umm in this case its not China but some Korean sweatshop.

Facts have no place in a discussion where emotions are involved.

Damn them Chinese and their tainted milk powder. Killing babies AND making sub-par motorcycles.

[sinfull]

Only issue with the Speed triple tho' is that it just doesn't have the street-cred of the Ho'Bag.

Hangs himself in a quiet corner of the universe !

[DarkLord]

I hate serials !!!!! just buy it !!!!!

I'm going to print that and buy myself a GSX-R 600 with it.

As well as a solid gold house to top it off.

[sinfull]

I'm going to print that and buy myself a GSX-R 600 with it.

As well as a solid gold house to top it off.

Just NOT a Hobag ayeeeeeee

[cs363]

Or not. Too many variables like I said. But give it a go.

X 2 on the 'or not'. In fact I'd probably push that to not - UNLESS you can come up with some proof that there was a manufacturing fault that caused the engine's demise, otherwise as tri boy correctly states, way too many variables and it will just turn into a he said- she said argument that won't last 5 minutes before being chucked out by the small claims court.
Best to ask the guys at Spectrum if they can pinpoint the cause of the failure and then go from there, but frankly I think you are clutching at straws on getting any warranty help from Hyosung unless they happened to be in a damn good mood and wanted to do a goodwill gesture - highly unlikely in the current economic climate, being a small company.
The fact that the new model has an increased warranty has no bearing on your issue regardless of any similarities between it and your model. It's no different to someone buying a Suzuki and then whinging that they dropped the price a month after they bought it.
Just the way things work in the commercial world.

To be honest you'd probably still have some issues getting it fixed for nix even if the bike was under warranty (regardless of brand) if it just chernobyled without any apparent cause. A catastrophic failure like that if it doesn't have a specific cause related to a manufacturing fault generally tends to point to abuse of some sort, whether it's over revving, low oil, incorrectly fitted or adjusted parts etc. Though of course if you've only ever had the bike serviced by the dealer and used genuine parts you should have at least some comeback on the dealer if not the manufacturer. Cases like that rarely run smoothly in my experience.

Lets hope you can find a good deal on a replacement engine (or that you find a definitive cause of the failure).
Best of luck to you.

[tri boy]

Yeah, people should just roll over when they get sold shit bikes by companies that provide bullshit service.

Long may it continue.

Bend over people, China wants to fuck you up the arse.

China???????
Dude, buy an Atlas
Shit bike? Tell that to the thousands of world wide owners who really like them.
Hell they race them in more civilised countries.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxJNBZTVYf4

[Headbanger]

I'm guessing the naysayers either are completely ignorant as to what the CGA is about, or work in industries that detest the CGA due to it making them responsible for gear they sell.

All motor vehicles sold by a dealer are covered by the CGA, new or used, and must have a life expectancy in line with the amount paid. It is effectively a warranty, one that is enforced by the courts and the retailers almost always lose.Most settle before court to avoid the inevitable. The manufacturers warranty is of zero importance in NZ.

Bikes in good nick, paper trail to prove its been looked after, Dealer has to cover the goods, End of story.

[Richi]

By over-revvin u mean valve bouncing it?? They have limiters dont they? surely if they cant handle revving up past um de dum revs then they would lower the limiter on them and make it a "performance mod" to change it?


What about that ad on tv with the hyundai engine that revved at 8000 rpm for like 200+ hours!!

btw sux bout the 17000 kms thats low! Its only just been worn in!!

[Dave-]

I looked up htre Consumer Gurantees Act under "Fair Use", i'm sure that 17,000k on a new bike before it explodes isn't considered "fair". Only recourse I have is through the Disputes trubunal, in which it'll be my word against theirs as to how I was riding it.

bang on.

http://gpacts.knowledge-basket.co.nz...93/an/091.html

sections 5 through to 12

print it out, grab a highlighter, there'll be a passage that says something about a reasonable person would expect a reasonable amount of use out of it.

17,000kms in 13 months is not a reasonable amount of time.

you did feed it oil right? check your sales agreement under "fuel type" the dealer has to specify 91, 95, 98 etc but usually they'll put "petrol" cause they're lazy, if this is the case and they try telling you you fed it the wrong fuel you can turn around and say "i fed it petrol as it says here".

see if you can get recipts from where you purchased your oil.

Gubb, call your insurance company right now and find out who in the area they use for mechanical faults, even call a few other insurance companys, a report written on the failure is worth heaps, if you were down here I could put you onto a wizard of a man who hardness tests the piston and cyclinder and this and that, you will want a registered insurance mechanic, its no good showing up in court and saying "well my friend says that the engine let go cause..." even an award winning 2 stroke engine tuner is not acceptable.

make sure all correspondence with the dealer from now on is via e-mail or fax, if you can record conversations then that'll work too as they may fuck up and say the wrong thing, see if you can get them to agree that the fault is more than minor it obviously is but ask them "the fault is pretty major isn't it?" they'll say "fuck yeah, it's a huge fault"

I know what I'm talking about

[cs363]

By over-revvin u mean valve bouncing it?? They have limiters dont they? surely if they cant handle revving up past um de dum revs then they would lower the limiter on them and make it a "performance mod" to change it?


What about that ad on tv with the hyundai engine that revved at 8000 rpm for like 200+ hours!!

btw sux bout the 17000 kms thats low! Its only just been worn in!!

I was just generalising - it doesn't matter the specifics of the alleged 'abuse' but there is a gray area if there is not a clear paper trail for routine servicing and genuine parts fitted etc that point to a well maintained bike, as Headbanger pointed out.
It's black and white if for instance there is a known or proven fault that caused the issue but if an element of doubt exists in regard to servicing, maintenance or use of the bike then it may not go the consumers way.
In short I'm not saying that Gubb doesn't stand a chance of getting some recompense, quite the reverse - I'm just suggesting that he has all his ducks in a row and a full command of the facts before heading into a small claims court to make sure he stands his very best chance of success.
I personally, like tri boy think he may not do so well as I have heard of similar cases that were unsuccesful, but I certainly wouldn't suggest that he shouldn't at least try. A big factor in many cases not succeeding is a lack of preparation.
I still wish him all the best with it as having your engine explode sucks in anyone's book.

[cs363]

bang on.

http://gpacts.knowledge-basket.co.nz...93/an/091.html

sections 5 through to 12

print it out, grab a highlighter, there'll be a passage that says something about a reasonable person would expect a reasonable amount of use out of it.

17,000kms in 13 months is not a reasonable amount of time.

you did feed it oil right? check your sales agreement under "fuel type" the dealer has to specify 91, 95, 98 etc but usually they'll put "petrol" cause they're lazy, if this is the case and they try telling you you fed it the wrong fuel you can turn around and say "i fed it petrol as it says here".

see if you can get recipts from where you purchased your oil.

Gubb, call your insurance company right now and find out who in the area they use for mechanical faults, even call a few other insurance companys, a report written on the failure is worth heaps, if you were down here I could put you onto a wizard of a man who hardness tests the piston and cyclinder and this and that.

make sure all correspondence with the dealer from now on is via e-mail or fax, if you can record conversations then that'll work too.

I know what I'm talking about

Yes, all good advice - agree 100%

[CB ARGH]

Shit happens dude, that's the sad fact of life.

I'm behind you the whole way though (not in a gay way eh), the bike should last a lot more than 17,000km, that is, if you have regularly serviced the bike and all the yibber yabber.

Thoughts your way man.

[The Lone Rider]

Contact Trucker (he's in my friends list).

We met a guy at the Nelson rally month or so ago who gave Trucker a website that you could order any Hyosung parts and anything for half price of what it will cost you here inclusive of shipping.

Apparently it's also filled with mods for the hyosungs such has how to fix suzuki rear suspension to it etc...

Brilliant bikes until the engine explodes.

Long story short:

About a month back, I headed out to do the Coro Loop with Toto, Musicman, Scracha & kevfromcoro. Just before the Miranda flats I had a horrible rattling noise coming from the engine. It sounded like there was something loose inside the cylinder.

Pulled over straight away. Didn't want to try my luck. Bike was stuffed. Waited in Thames for about 4 hours for the Missus to bring a Trailer and pick me up, dropped it into Spectrum and asked them to have a look-see.

The front Piston had blown, taking the Conrod and Crankshaft with it. I have owned the bike for 13 months, and done a touch over 17,000kms. The Warranty period is for 12 months and 10,000kms.

Hyosung NZ have also just announced that they will be offering a 2 year, 20,000km warranty for the 2008 models, which are identical to the 2007 models (mine) bar different colour fairings. Surely if the engines are identical, and they are willing to stand beside the '08 ones, then they'll cover mine too? With this in mind, Spectrum submitted a claim to see if they would cover it.

Nope. "It's not under Warranty, we don't have to". Technically yes, they are right, but they'll cover the same bike if it's a different colour? That's bullshit. Their reasoning behind it was the only possible way for this to happen, is to be redlining the bike excessively, causing the damage.

Anyone that has ridden with me will know that this is not the case. I ride like a Nana, and 95% of it's K's were dur to communtering.

It's gonna cost me $1800 for a second hand engine to be installed.

I looked up htre Consumer Gurantees Act under "Fair Use", i'm sure that 17,000k on a new bike before it explodes isn't considered "fair". Only recourse I have is through the Disputes trubunal, in which it'll be my word against theirs as to how I was riding it.

Cock. Maybe the 'haters' have a grain of truth to them.

[cs363]

^^^^ This one? http://www.richardhyosunggvgt.com/