Is 6 months all a biker's life is worth? In the news today!

[blairh]

This is disgusting.. Doesn't matter if she's a tourist, if she's driving on our road she abides by our laws. If I was that girl's family I would be absolutely fuming..

[scumdog]

If she bludgeoned someone to death we'd all think it natural that there was a prison sentence involved. Kill someone with a vehicle? Meh. Someone is still dead.

That's because it was seen as an accident.

Which it was not.

[riffer]

Sounds to me like we need two new charges here:

1. Vehicular manslaughter through careless or negligent action; and
2. Vehicular manslaughter through dangerous driving.

That should solve the problem. 7 years for the 1st. 12 years for the 2nd.

[Bren]

uh huh...


again..


brave boy..

You are really brave...

Where is that line between bravery and stupidity? I never know where it is!

[koba]

Cant be fucked reading past the first page before I post this but...

Does using the judical system as PUNISHMENT for an accident really help anyone?
Licence suspension and fines entirely appropriate sure but methinks jailtime wouldn't really hellp anyone EXCEPT real criminals who deserve to be in there for doing willfull naughty shit but are getting it easy coz of overcrowding and the like.
This sort of tragic shit can happen to any of us.
Consider if the last near miss you had on the road did turn to shit and YOU killed some kid who happend to be taking a piss on the side of the road where your bike slid off to...

A small lapse of concentration can happen to anyone, driving on the wrong side of the road is an extreme one but still possible.

Just thowing the idea out there so hopfully some people will think about it a bit. I dont really wan't to spend a million posts defending my position.

[koba]

I am no proponent of liberality in punishment. I just don't see gaol as achieving very much in such a case. We may distinguish the bludgeoning case, since that involves intention, and probably premeditation. Therefore the deterrence factor of a gaol sentence may make others, tempted to the same offence, to hesitate and decide it's not worth it.

Which is not a factor in the road death case. Especially as the driver was probably not even being reckless, but genuinely , though mistakenly, thought she was doing everything correctly.

Punishment should fit the crime. In this case I do not see gaol as a good fit. Though I am somewhat at a lack as to suggest what would be a better fit.

Ok, after a skim read that is what I MEANT to say.
Even with a fancy word for it and all.

[Sollyboy]

eye for an eye would be suitable, stupid bitch cant drive on the proper side of road

[jrandom]

If you drive on the road in NZ your life is worthless.

As I've stated before, I don't think you've ever successfully shown that the NZ judicial system treats unintentional vehicular homicide any less harshly than other forms.

If you really think that NZ doesn't 'punish' unintentional killings severely enough, argue that question on its own merits.

But whether or not it happens on the road is entirely a red herring.

If you disagree with that and really do think that fatal crimes of negligence committed on the road are punished out of proportion to such crimes committed elsewhere, you'll need specific comparative evidence, not just rhetoric, to be convincing about it.

[SARGE]

Where is that line between bravery and stupidity? I never know where it is!

cant be far off now.....

[Timber020]

I would be more willling to string up the tourist if she was drunk or speeding or pulling an U turn or wasnt a tourist from a RHS drive nation. I have driven in the US and canada quite a bit and have made simular mistakes (strangely enough the worst was when I came back to NZ) luckily without an accident. I drove more carefully than I do here but its tough to work on the other side of the road. Mistakes will happen. Giving someone a prison sentance isnt going to prevent such accidents unless it actually lowers the amount of tourists that come to NZ.


It sucks.

[Swoop]

Where is that line between bravery and stupidity? I never know where it is!

A good starting point would be between poking the bear with a pointed stick and shitting in your pants...

[dpex]

Always remember you are worthless when riding a motorcycle on a NZ road.

For some reason that seems to upset a number of KBers, but the NZ Judiciary obviously subscribes to the theory that motorcyclists deserve everything they get, including death.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4770196a11.html

James! You fail to understand the transgressor..aka the murderer, for that's what she was...was a woman. Not a man.

A man, within the dominions of Aotearoa, might shout 'Boo!' to a woman, and get six months PD for the pleasure.

Yet a woman who 'effectively' murders another...let's call it manslaughter before Katman gets in...and who asserts 'acrophobia' to the judge whom, clearly has no idea what acrophobia is and goes on to assert the wee dear might feel bad about being in prison on account of her acrophobia will make her feel unreasonably displaced.

The wee dear is, of course, a woman. Much like the woman who gave birth to a child. A living, breathing human being. She delivered into a dunny, pulled it out, still alive, plonked in a plastic bag and threw it out a window.

The judge decided that she 'murdered' this child under extreme stress. The stress, as it turned out, was based upon the fact the woman...a polynesian...would cause immense embarrassment to her family/tribe/town/you-name-it, back home in Samoa having been found out she'd been fucked.

The judge found her guilty of infanticide and promptly commuted a prison sentence to HD on the basis that when she had completed her studies in NZ she would be a shining light in her Samoan village.

She kills a child, knowingly. Get's HD because she will become a shining light after she gets her BA in bullshit?????

The men who beat Nia Glassie to death will do at least 17 years non-parole. They should do at least life with non-parole, and have their genitals removed with a rusty razor-blade. But will the judge assert they did what they did because they were stressed and, therefore, they deserve a break?

If a man had been at the wheel of the car and had killed Cheryl Blair, he'd be (and quite properly) facing 'hard-time.

But it wasn't a man. It was some simpering Julie Anne Smith, with acrophobia. And the limp-wristed, feminist acolyte judge, asserted Cheryl's life was worth less than Smith's life, on account of Smith was still alive and may yet contribute to the greater scheme.

It is for this sort of shit that I have posted, on various occassions, the willingness to get out there and protest, down and dirty.

But will anyone join me?

Nope.

Cheryl's death will be forgotten before the end of next week.

[Katman]

A load of shit.

No, she was a woman who made a tragic mistake and found herself on the wrong side of the road.

It wasn't a case of reckless use of a vehicle causing the death of another.

[dpex]

I would be more willling to string up the tourist if she was drunk or speeding or pulling an U turn or wasnt a tourist from a RHS drive nation. I have driven in the US and canada quite a bit and have made simular mistakes (strangely enough the worst was when I came back to NZ) luckily without an accident. I drove more carefully than I do here but its tough to work on the other side of the road. Mistakes will happen. Giving someone a prison sentance isnt going to prevent such accidents unless it actually lowers the amount of tourists that come to NZ.


It sucks.

Timber, are you having a secret affair with Katman?

What a load of crap.

Your attitude asserts, 'It ain't my fault. I was confused.'

Tell that to the relatives of Cheryl Blair.

If you're thast easily confused, stay off the fucking roads!

[Mom]

But will anyone join me?

You seriously need to talk a calm pill, a very large one infact. Far out, my advice to you is to go for a walk on the beach in bare feet, put yourself cloer to nature and relax!