Terrorist (namely muslim) cowards

[jrandom]

HERE

Oddly enough, on Friday last week I was reading Carl Stiner's description of that entire episode (in Tom Clancy's book 'Shadow Warriors'). Gen. Stiner seems like a fairly clued-up chap. Did you ever meet him?

I gotta say, that whole situation seemed like a complete high-level cockup to me. I cannot imagine what the administration was thinking, dumping you guys in the middle of a shitty civil war with no meaningful mission but to sit there getting shot at.

[SARGE]

Oddly enough, on Friday last week I was reading Carl Stiner's description of that entire episode (in Tom Clancy's book 'Shadow Warriors'). Gen. Stiner seems like a fairly clued-up chap. Did you ever meet him?

I gotta say, that whole situation seemed like a complete high-level cockup to me. I cannot imagine what the administration was thinking, dumping you guys in the middle of a shitty civil war with no meaningful mission but to sit there getting shot at.

we kept telling the higher ups that we should be on the high ground OVERLOOKING the airport...but the airport was such a strategic asset........


never met Gen Stiener .. my commanding General had the nickname "ETool".. apparently he ran out of ammo in VietNam.. grabbed the first thing he could...

[mstriumph]

If my country had been invaded and occupied by a superpower-sponsored regime with F16s and M1s, and all I had was fertiliser bombs and rifles, ....

what can i say? it's a common ploy to paint a picture of 'fertiliser bombs and rifles' against high-powered weaponry to demonise one side and portray the other as victimised
but saying it don't necessarily make it so http://www.weaponsurvey.com/missilesrockets.htm

I'd do whatever the hell I had to to drive their military forces and settlers out.

And so would you.

no, i wouldn't ----
there is no way that i would deliberately choose a civilian enclave populated by unarmed women and children to launch my attacks from .........

not because i'm more moral or upright than you, but because to me it isn't logical to risk destruction of what you are defending - your women, children, the future of your people - in the process of fighting for it

Fuck 'honourable'. 'Honourable' is what you do when you have more tanks than the other guy.

oh dear
this isn't meant as a personal attack, but you are so wrong

Honourable isn't what you 'do'
Honourable is what you 'are' - or are not .....

Honourable is what puts some acts beyond you, no matter how excusable 'winning' may make them seem

[jrandom]

what can i say? it's a common ploy...

The only real point I'd make here is that you're comfortable and secure and have not been and probably will never be living in a tent in the desert because men with guns took your home and your city and all the farms around it away so that their friends could live there.

Perspective changes based on where you stand.

You're welcome to moralise away to your heart's content, of course. But it won't change anything.

Have you ever wondered why a sane young man or woman with an above-average IQ would strap a bomb to themselves and detonate it? What could possibly motivate that?

Oh, that's right. They're not 'honourable'.

Riiiiightio.

You do realise that you can talk to these people if you wish to, don't you? The internet is a big place, and communication technology is a wonderful thing.

I would encourage you to do that. Find them, talk to them. Present to them your comfortable middle-class Western 'code of honour', and ask why their behaviour does not fit that mold.

[terbang]

Finn I'm sad to hear that your mate was killed, I know the feeling. Last week a friend of mine died in an Airbus 320 that spiraled into the sea just off France. He was also a high achiever and a superb aviator who rode bikes too. It would have been an absolutely terrifying thing to helplessly sit in the cockpit jump seat as the french aircraft, flown by two Germans, plummeted out of control into the sea. Now who should we start hating, the Germans or the french? But like most aircraft accidents, there will be more to it than you see on CNN or the old Beeb, so I'll keep my powder dry on that one for now.

[Swoop]

This describes the IRA.
Who funded them, again?

Predominantly North East America. Once 9-11 happened and organisations that supported terror were declared illegal, guess what happened? The IRA ran out of $$$'s to have their fun. ENDEX.

Most of the SpecOps unit in the west seem to be illegal.

Not true. They have identification in some form or another. A nationality emblem is normally on the fatigues, but in a heavily subdued and "faded-down" manner.

[Hitcher]

it seems to be 'fashionable' to knock the Israelies ..... didn't think YOU'd be one to follow the common herd, mr Hitcher ...... i'm a tad disappointed in you.

I have struggled not to take sides in relation to conflicts in the Middle East. No side there has clean hands. My issue with the Israelis is the magnitude of their retaliation, administered from the comparative safety of F16s and Merkavas.

[jonbuoy]

Predominantly North East America. Once 9-11 happened and organisations that supported terror were declared illegal, guess what happened? The IRA ran out of $$$'s to have their fun. ENDEX.

Not true. They have identification in some form or another. A nationality emblem is normally on the fatigues, but in a heavily subdued and "faded-down" manner.

Exactly - didn't see relatives of people killed by IRA bombs flying jumbos into the twin towers or attacking the USA did we? Your average muslim is more concerned with the same things as your average kiwi - paying the bills and putting their kids through school. Just as the average Catholic/Protestant was in the Irish troubles. Theres always a few sick bastards who use politics and religion to justify their violence, influential and strong people who have a knack of manipulating and brainwashing people for there own agendas.

[Finn]

Finn, is Andreas a New Zealander/Aucklander? Will he brought back for the funeral/burial (if one can be had...hopefully so for the family/friends...)?

No and that adds to the tragedy. He was born in Cyprus but moved to London as a young man and subsequently held a British passport. He was a resident of Monaco.

One of his crew on the boat is Indian and he knew there was a very good restaurant in the Taj Hotel so he took her there along with some other crew. She was shot in the shoulder. During the ordeal, he called the BBC and relayed what was happening.

[MisterD]

Telegraph obituary here

[imdying]

In the same way as you/they don't like Muslims, brown people, the poor etc etc? These people can get fucked as far as I'm concerned. I'm not here to befriend rednecks

What you got against poor people ya cunt?

Here's what you need, they've even printed instructions for you...



I can't believe you queer cunts are arguing the merits of having rules in warfare... if something is actually worth fighting over, then it's worth doing the job properly. This boohoo protect the innocents nonsense is complete crap.

[The Stranger:Me]

Have you ever wondered why a sane young man or woman with an above-average IQ would strap a bomb to themselves and detonate it? What could possibly motivate that?

1,000 virgins?

Hell, if I was stuck in a shit hole floting on oil with only camels and goats for sexual gratification, I'd take the punt too.

[Skyryder]

I have struggled not to take sides in relation to conflicts in the Middle East. No side there has clean hands. My issue with the Israelis is the magnitude of their retaliation, administered from the comparative safety of F16s and Merkavas.

As against sucide bombers on busses, railway stations, resteurants etc. Yep had a problem myself once on this then I found out about their reward; 72 Virgins in paradise. Simplistic yes but I don't have a problem any more.


Skyryder

[Marmoot]

Yet, that is where you are mistaken. Even if there was enough for everyone, and there is, someone would look at the next guy and want what he has as well.

Incorrect. If it is enough then he will not want more.
If he wants more, clearly it's not enough.

The original poster you quoted mentioned "enough"-icity, not size
For some, small maybe enough, yet for others large amount may still be not enough.

[Oscar]

I have struggled not to take sides in relation to conflicts in the Middle East. No side there has clean hands. My issue with the Israelis is the magnitude of their retaliation, administered from the comparative safety of F16s and Merkavas.

You are indeed the curmudgeonly voice of reason...