90-day stand down

[Ixion]

Productivity is tough to agree on and ultimately it is measured by our exchange rate. That is the real world judgement and unfortunately NZ has been slipping backwards since the 1960s. .

No it's not. Some countries have a 'high' exchange rate because , f'instance they ahve a lot of mineral or oil depositis. Some countriesw (like the USA until recently) have a high exchange rate because other countrioes are willing to build up credit balances in that country. The exhange rate has very little at all to do with labour productivity .

Arguably, such a scheme will REDUCE productivity.Because it will increase churn in the workforce , shortsighted employers will focus on turning over work force numbers within the ninty days (having gotten 90 days of cheap labour with the usual rorts about training periods and such like); the constantly changing workforce never becomes properly skilled , quality goes to hell (most employers don't give a shit about that).

And of course ,what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. When Jack is hired on a "90 days and you're out , mate" basis, he's not going to stop looking for another job when he signs on with you. Mayhap he'll phone in on day 60: "Sorry mate, won't be in any more, I've been offered 50 cents an hour more at the opposition, start today . Yeah I know that leaves you in the shit with that contract you're committed to. Sucks , eh". That's the nature of a casualised industry . Nobody gives a shit about anybody but themselves.

Such a scheme in the IS industry would be disaster for employers: nothing better than a coder quitting half way through a project , with zero notice.

[Shadows]

No there's not. The whole point of it is that NO dismissal will be unjustified.

Yes I put that across wrong. Specifically there can still be no dismissal for reasons of discrimination etc. and there is provision for PG on those kinds of grounds. I've edited my post.

However, it is not in the employers best interest to sack somebody in the first 90 days without a good reason any way. They get a bad name, and have to spend more time and money recruiting and training a new employee.

Why go through the grief unless you're dealing with a useless cunt?

[FROSTY:Me]

Or, you take on a new salesman. And a week after you take him on , you come into work after being away a few days, notice that a couple hundred bucks that was in the desk drawer is gone.

Hole in that logic--me actually spending more than an hour away from here and 2)Anybody that leaves money lying around in a draw would get their ass kicked.
But Ixion thats not how it works. before dismissing someone even under the new rules an employer would have to be really stupid not to be sure he has his facts right.
Theres simple economic reasons you want a new employee to work out
Youve invested your money and time into recruiting them you sure as heck dont want to go through the process again

[kiwi cowboy]

More like complete bollocks,who in there right mind does that?

You would be suprised how many employers would expect that.

[Ixion]

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Why go through the grief unless you're dealing with a useless cunt?

Or, unless you yourself are a useless cunt ?

EDIT: Not "you" you - the hypothetical 'you'

[Shadows]

Or, unless you yourself are a useless cunt ?

EDIT: Not "you" you - the hypothetical 'you'

Then your business is probably going to sink anyway - so your employee is better off elsewhere in the long run.

[Ixion]

Maybe so. But the long run can be a long run of pain. And I know of no reason to suppose that a business will sink just because the boos is a vindictive cunt . Probably the reverse in fact.

[jrandom]

The only way to avoid is abstain altogether.

Dunno about that. My vasectomy's proven fairly effective. References provided on request, etc.

[jrandom]

Hiring software engineers is extremely hard and very hit and miss.

I've found the principles in this article enormously helpful over the years.

Probably applicable to areas other than computer programming, too.

[reofix]

I employ 25 people... make yourself invaluable and you will have a job for life ... act like the weakest link and you will be the first gone ... this is not rocket science!!

[jrandom]

it's been my experience that contract workers cost significantly more than permanent employees ?

I guarantee you that the second time any employer abuses the 90-day rule will be the last time any recruiting agent agrees to work for them, because betcha bottom dollar the commissions will only be payable after that period expires.

I strongly suspect that any dumbfuck small-business owner trying shit on with this new law will give himself a foot full of commercial bullets in no time flat.

don't know why you people have to get so personal when responding to posts

Sometimes pointing out the obvious is a more correct response than remaining po-faced while attempting to debate an issue with someone who's not approaching it entirely rationally.

[jrandom]

I employ 25 people...

Well then, this law doesn't apply to you.

Next.

[slowpoke]

Haha, I can just see employers shooting themselves in the foot:
"Nah, don't worry 'bout checking those references, if he's no good we'll just sack 'em", thereby ensuring they eventually fill the place with dross. If they are stupid and inept enough to hire unsuitable staff now then they are going to be even worse when there's less incentive to get it right.

Again I ask: how is it that with the cost of an employee at a hugely discounted rate compared to Australia etc that our employers require even more "help"? How much easier do you want it?

Employers should be ashamed of the working conditions much of NZ's workforce are forced to endure if they want to stay in the country, yet you bleat that all the good ones have left. How obvious is the answer yet conditions keep being eroded.

People talk about the past government creating a Nanny State, yet JK is spoon feeding employers who are already playing with the deck loaded in their favour. Clean up your own mess: treat people as they should be treated and you'll find people coming back or staying in NZ. But no, instead you choose to force people away. You reap what you sow.

[reofix]

random ...if you stop the substance abuse that nasty bitter cloud in your head will drift away to reveal a beautiful sunrise

[cs363]

Only useless fucks need worry about this legislation.