Wellie - Palmy

[korimako1]

not in the articles i read they didn't

My smartarse answer could be, you obviously didn't read everything. But it came out in court. And again selective reporting by media, it was brushed over except by some.

[korimako1]

Were they sticking to the speed limit?

Is this a wind up?

[jellywrestler]

My smartarse answer could be, you obviously didn't read everything. But it came out in court. And again selective reporting by media, it was brushed over except by some.

i followed it reasonably closely and from what i saw they tried a couple of options but not in depth, i've done this road for years and was very interested in both that aspect and the phone calls and how they could pin point them too.
There are a number of roads once you get to shannon that you can blast along, remmebering on the way up his biggest risk was a ticket, on the way back it would blow his cover, and he didn't have to get back in a certain time frame for an 'appointement' it was not until he returned that he then made a call

[Ender EnZed]

Is this a wind up?

If every route the police used to try to replicate his time failed, I'm wondering why they didn't try driving faster.

[korimako1]

i followed it reasonably closely and from what i saw they tried a couple of options but not in depth, i've done this road for years and was very interested in both that aspect and the phone calls and how they could pin point them too.
There are a number of roads once you get to shannon that you can blast along, remmebering on the way up his biggest risk was a ticket, on the way back it would blow his cover, and he didn't have to get back in a certain time frame for an 'appointement' it was not until he returned that he then made a call

I know this case extremely well, the police and private investigators tried to replicate the drive times using every, repeat every possible route. They even looked at going via the pahiatua track, also every side road or different way into Pnth. they also did it outside off peak hour traffic so they wouldn't be delayed. All attempts failed to achieve the times they needed. Several attempts I might add.
Using Telecom records Mark was in petone and received a call at 5.38 and his phone received a call at 8.13 both through the alicetown receiver, he then placed a call at 8.28pm all in petone. The 8.13pm call was never disputed by the crown so according to the crown he departed petone at 5.38pm drive to Pnth committed the crime and all associated with it. returned to petone 8.13pm. 2hours 35 minutes. IMPOSSIBLE. they use the later phone call at 8.28pm to stretch out the available time. smoke and mirrors throughout and red herrings. At the privy Council hearing the crown accused the defence of Red Herrings, talk about pot calling the kettle!!!!!!

[korimako1]

If every route the police used to try to replicate his time failed, I'm wondering why they didn't try driving faster.

you must be a policemans wife. (blond)

[jellywrestler]

both through the alicetown receiver,

wasn't he with vodafone, seriously the telecom master unit is in alicetown, all the others in the hutt are satellites and feed through it

[korimako1]

wasn't he with vodafone, seriously the telecom master unit is in alicetown, all the others in the hutt are satellites and feed through it

No he was with telecom 025 number. was alicetown the master unit back in 2000? they spent hours on this during the trial. being careful to only talk about billing records. both calls through the alicetown receiver were the 5.38 and the 8.13 calls. the 8.28 went through the alicetown but switched to another site during the call.the motel was in an overlap area and the technicians testing the sites had the calls move sites while moving around the motel room.

[breakaway]

How are Mark's cellphone calls admissible? Isn't it possible he gave the phone to a friend/purposely left it there or similar?

[GDOBSSOR]

I know this case extremely well, the police and private investigators tried to replicate the drive times using every, repeat every possible route. They even looked at going via the pahiatua track, also every side road or different way into Pnth. they also did it outside off peak hour traffic so they wouldn't be delayed. All attempts failed to achieve the times they needed. Several attempts I might add.
Using Telecom records Mark was in petone and received a call at 5.38 and his phone received a call at 8.13 both through the alicetown receiver, he then placed a call at 8.28pm all in petone. The 8.13pm call was never disputed by the crown so according to the crown he departed petone at 5.38pm drive to Pnth committed the crime and all associated with it. returned to petone 8.13pm. 2hours 35 minutes. IMPOSSIBLE. they use the later phone call at 8.28pm to stretch out the available time. smoke and mirrors throughout and red herrings. At the privy Council hearing the crown accused the defence of Red Herrings, talk about pot calling the kettle!!!!!!

Is it possible he could have committed the crime unseen in the wee hours of the morning after seeing the hooker? Another thing I am very curious about is his behaviour at the funeral. Not just the supposed 'collapsing episode' that everyone knows about, but I also watched a programme about Lundy where a friend of Christine's said she saw Mark touch a young girl's thigh at the funeral. Not fitting behaviour for someone who's just lost their family.

[GDOBSSOR]

How are Mark's cellphone calls admissible? Isn't it possible he gave the phone to a friend/purposely left it there or similar?

There were lights on in the Lundy household at 11pm. These lights were off the next morning when the police came. This was seen by a neighbour who was talking to his father on his back porch. That means that either Christine was still awake at that time or an intruder had gotten in then and for some reason turned the light on. Since a prostitute testified in court that Mark was seeing her at approximately 11.30pm, his being there at that time would be impossible.

[korimako1]

Is it possible he could have committed the crime unseen in the wee hours of the morning after seeing the hooker? Another thing I am very curious about is his behaviour at the funeral. Not just the supposed 'collapsing episode' that everyone knows about, but I also watched a programme about Lundy where a friend of Christine's said she saw Mark touch a young girl's thigh at the funeral. Not fitting behaviour for someone who's just lost their family.

the wee hours scenario is ruled out by the pathologists. also don't you think if the Police had thought that a later time of death was correct why did they go to such extreme lengths to prove 7 pm deaths. My personal opinion is I think they have undisclosed evidence that proves Mark was in Petone in the early hours.
saying someone touched a person was not fitting behaviour when the circumstances of that touch is not known is a nonsense, indeed if it even happened at all.
everyone grieves differently,In India, wives throw themselves on their husbands funeral pyres, is that fitting behaviour?
I don't know how I would react in this situation. I have seen similar reactions to Marks before, but to have Tv cameras shoved in your face and then only the most emotive clip shown time and time again, is that fair.

[oneofsix]

the wee hours scenario is ruled out by the pathologists. also don't you think if the Police had thought that a later time of death was correct why did they go to such extreme lengths to prove 7 pm deaths. My personal opinion is I think they have undisclosed evidence that proves Mark was in Petone in the early hours.
saying someone touched a person was not fitting behaviour when the circumstances of that touch is not known is a nonsense, indeed if it even happened at all.
everyone grieves differently,In India, wives throw themselves on their husbands funeral pyres, is that fitting behaviour?
I don't know how I would react in this situation. I have seen similar reactions to Marks before, but to have Tv cameras shoved in your face and then only the most emotive clip shown time and time again, is that fair.

No, one of the major problems with the case is that the 7pm time is so suspect based on unproven stomach contents assumptions and all. Also a young child going to bed and hour earlier than usual and meant to stay their on the promise that he will come home from Welly for a bit of nooky when he had meetings in Welly the next day.
The journey would be more able to be done without rush hour traffic providing he stuck to a route he knew extremely well and took real risks. But what about the lack of speed related wear on the tyres and that the gas usage matched the trips he claimed but not the polices and there is no electronic or CTV coverage of him getting gas?
Saw that touching up bit mentioned on "The Darklands" (hope I got the name of the Nigel what's it programme right).
Agreed that reactions differ but not only between countries but also between people. Certain things might be prescribed by religion, law or expectations but every person has a slightly different twist on how they display grief and loss, especially when you add in shock and being accused of causing it.