Who is in the right here?

[sunhuntin]

my way of thinking, i simply applied a non existant control [in this case, a give way, since that is how i treat that intersection] as thats the way it made sense.
i dont recall this situation being on the scratchy, and i really think it should be.

[pritch]

In your diagram red gives way to green. You give way to the vehicle turning right. If you're both turning right, you give way to the vehicle on your right.

Where I work that's a great secret. several years ago I tested many of the drivers here with that scenario, the guys got it right but none of the women did. I mean even if they'd taken a guess thay should've got about 50%???

One of the "senior" women was the first female to get it right, then the boss.
When I commented the boss laughed and explained that the other woman and her both had teenagers sitting their licence...

Basically, it would be very unwise to assume that the other person at the intersection actually knew who had right of way...

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

As it's an uncontrolled intersection you must give way to the van.

At an unmarked intersection, the "give way to the right" rule applies. In this case, the van has right of way.

What they said...

[Badjelly]

By the way, folks, this was discussed at some length in April this year

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=71364

The previous government considered changing the law a few years ago but decided not to. With the change of government, and a revision of the road rules being under way, it looks like a change will be considered again. There was an item about it on the TV last night (Campbell Live?). It sounds like there's a lot of support for a change.

[crystalball]

Yes this is one of the sticky road rules.
If there is no signs for the van (which i believe there should be as this catches alot of people out.)
Then you are on his left so he has right of way to go 1st.
Also sometimes tho there will be a give way sign marked on the road where your bike was.
When i end up in this scene i allways make sure got eye contact with other driver as they most likely as confused as you are.
Give him a little wave to get him going if hes not moving.
This is one off the areas in the road code that needs to be fixed.
more give way signs, also more visiable road marking giveway signs as lots are fading.

[discotex]

Keep in mind this also applies to driveways. For example at your local supermarket or gas station. Unless there is a giveway sign at the exit of course.

The fact that such a high percent of drivers can't/won't understand the right-hand rule suggests it's time to scrap it and adopt the aussie system.

Apparently 2 thirds of Herald voters want it scrapped...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10546965

[Kickaha]

The fact that such a high percent of drivers can't/won't understand the right-hand rule suggests it's time to scrap it and adopt the aussie system.

I'd suggest it means the fuckers should hand in there licences and take the bus

[slofox]

This is a case of what I call "double right hand rule".

1. You give way to the right.
2. You also give way when turning right.

In Sun's diagram, red is turning right AND has green on the right. So two reasons to stop.
Green is turning right but has red on the LEFT. So only one reason to stop.
Ergo green has ROW.
In practice however, it is usually the other way round. Green usually stops for red.......don't ask me why......whenever I try to let green go ahead the driver thinks I am trying to t-bone them for some odd reason.....suspicious bastards....

[slofox]

By the way, folks, this was discussed at some length in April this year

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=71364

The previous government considered changing the law a few years ago but decided not to. With the change of government, and a revision of the road rules being under way, it looks like a change will be considered again. There was an item about it on the TV last night (Campbell Live?). It sounds like there's a lot of support for a change.

If we do change, it will be back to what the rules were years ago. This latest thing about right turning traffic having ROW over left turning traffic has been around for a while but it was not always so.....

[fireliv]

U give way to van.

I failed my full cage test on this one when I was in the bikes position, and was waved on by a guy in a van (who was where the van was in this diagram) I went. Instant fail....

[Slyer]

Remember you can use google street view if you are ever not sure of the signage.

[Mom]

I always thought if two vehicles are turning right, curtesy prevails, mind you I would have let the van go if I was on my bike.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

I always thought if two vehicles are turning right, curtesy prevails, mind you I would have let the van go if I was on my bike.

NO you give way to your right... (under current law)

[That looks like fun]

Why do we have some of these strange laws you ask Because the same laws apply for all road users. If you drove a 20 metre long 44 tonne B Train unit you would instantly understand the right hand rule. Lets replace the bike with a big shiny truck. The van has right of way as he is turning away from the big truck whereas the big shiny truck would be turning towards the van. Replace the van with ya scooter. sit in the middle of the intersection where the van was and have a B Train turn in front of you and as you leap from your bike and watch it get crushed to bitsez under the back axles of his trailer a sudden realisation will run down your leg ahha so thats why that rule is like that you will say
As for the left turning traffic gives way to everything rule, no wonder we are the only country in the world with that one. Its just plain stupid

[Mom]

NO you give way to your right... (under current law)

Yeah I know, if I am going to get hit in my right hand side I wait, and wait, and wait.