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    Quote Originally Posted by Badjelly View Post
    OK. I bow to your superior logic. I see that everything I have written on this subject is quite wrong.
    while your at it you might want to point out the half the world drive on the other side of the road? maybe we should change to that too to keep them happy while they are here on holiday?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nodrog View Post
    who gives a fuck what they do in australia? maybe the low percent of people who have trouble with the road rules here should fucken move there (and i bet most of that percentage have migrated here from overseas in the first place).
    Ahh, Nodrog, you seem to labouring under the misconception that all the people who want this law changed, do so because they don't understand.

    You are wrong! Badjelly understands it fine, he just doesn't like it and THAT is the reason it should be changed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    Whilst I agree that this would seem sensible, it won't work. People can't get the no exception right hand rule correct. When exceptions are thrown in, their dumbed-down unthinking brains would just fry their circuits (more than now). Whether you agree with the current rule or not, at least it does not have exceptions to muddy the waters.
    You'd think so, wouldn't you? People can't cope with the current, very simple rule, so how could they cope with something (slightly) more complicated? And yet before the simpler road rule was introduced in the late 70s, the rule for two right-turning vehicles was "Courtesy prevails". (Really!) And people consistently interpreted that to mean that the traffic in the side road gave way. And now, after 30 years, about 75% of the driving population still drive as if this were the case, even though the current, very simple, very clear rule states it's not. It's almost enough to make one reexamine one's assumptions, isn't it?

    Back in the 70s, New South Wales had an even simpler rule than ours: give way to the right. Never mind who's turning and who's going straight ahead, just give way to the right. That was a very simple rule, so it must have been a very good rule, right? It wasn't. I visited Sydney as a teenager. I was just learning to drive in NZ, but thankfully I didn't drive in Sydney. I lost count of the number of times I was in a car going along a straight road, when there was a flash from the right, a screech of tyres and a curse from the driver. A local explained the reasoning behind the rule to me, "At least you always know who's in the wrong when there's a crash: the one with the dent in the right-hand door." "Er, but," I said, "don't you have more crashes?" "Well, yes."

    I'll make my message simple:

    Simple does not always mean good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badjelly View Post
    Feeling a little disingenuous today, are we?

    Not at all, simply stated as the truth. I have no issue with the rules as they stand and never see a problem. Sometimes a little patience my be required to allow for an ignorant driver, but nothing new there and I don't see that will ever change. Perhaps if you lack patience I could see that may be an issue.

    This is a minor issue. Modern cars have rounded front ends and indicators set far enough back that when you're approaching from the left you can't see the right front indicator until you're nearly in front. Unless you have X-ray vision, as I presume you do.

    Regulations require that the RH indicator be visible from at least 45 degrees from the left. This is checked at compliance time and my experience is that I can see the RH indicator quite clearly in such situations without needing to turn on my X-ray vision. If the car is any closer such that it doesn't permit you to see the indicator, perhaps it not such a good idea to try and beat it anyway. Again you are having problems with a situation where no problem exists - are you really sure your eyes aren't fucked?


    The ones they have in Australia these days seem to work quite well. I'll look them up and get back to you.
    In your zeal to paint the laws in the worst light possible you are resorting to trumping up problems. Try sticking to fact.
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    You say "no one wants to fuck with some large bloke on a really angry sounding bike" but the truth of the matter is that you are a balding middle-aged ice-cream seller from Edgecume who wears a hello kitty t-shirt (in your profile pic) and your angry sounding bike is a fucken hyoshit - not some big assed harley with a human skull on the front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badjelly View Post

    I think we should have (in ascending order of priority):
    • Give way to right
    • Right turning gives way to everyone else (straight ahead and left-turning)
    • Traffic on ending road at T intersection gives way to continuing road
    Yep, clear and concise.
    I can see that's much simpler than "give way to anything that would hit your drivers door."

    I look forward to it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tank
    You say "no one wants to fuck with some large bloke on a really angry sounding bike" but the truth of the matter is that you are a balding middle-aged ice-cream seller from Edgecume who wears a hello kitty t-shirt (in your profile pic) and your angry sounding bike is a fucken hyoshit - not some big assed harley with a human skull on the front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badjelly View Post
    This is a minor issue. Modern cars have rounded front ends and indicators set far enough back that when you're approaching from the left you can't see the right front indicator until you're nearly in front...
    Quote Originally Posted by The Stranger View Post
    In your zeal to paint the laws in the worst light possible you are resorting to trumping up problems. Try sticking to fact.
    Er, did you see the bit where I said "this is a minor issue"?

    I am not trying to paint the laws in the worst possible light. I am trying to have a reasoned, balanced discussion. It's a hard road...

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    Then we can have a go at this
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    Quote Originally Posted by cheshirecat View Post
    Then we can have a go at this
    The design committee put some effort into finding "the ideal solution" there I see...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick View Post

    Driveways are NOT roads... Someone leaving a drive gives way to all.

    Carparks, service stations etc ARE roads. Someone leaving these places, the give way to the right applies. (Unless someone is controlled by lights, signs etc, of course....)
    im sure i read some case law on this and a drive is classed as a road in some circumstances such as rural drives that can be kms long, i will try and dig it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Stranger View Post
    FFS, what a pathetic piss take. At least make it look realistic.
    NO one is going to believe you are that stupid.
    thank you for your cheerful post, i have refreshed myself on that particular road rule, i just hope other road users can aspire to be the perfect road user like you...cock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badjelly View Post
    ....the rule for two right-turning vehicles was "Courtesy prevails". (Really!) And people consistently interpreted that to mean that the traffic in the side road gave way. And now, after 30 years, about 75% of the driving population still drive as if this were the case, even though the current, very simple, very clear rule states it's not.
    Courtesy and actual thinking is a thing of the past. If it hasn't been legislated out of existence, the ME generation have lost it somewhere along the line.
    Quote Originally Posted by Badjelly View Post
    It's almost enough to make one reexamine one's assumptions, isn't it?
    No
    Quote Originally Posted by Badjelly View Post
    Simple does not always mean good.
    Not when it removes the need to think. But since that's been dealt to ^, then there is no alternative.
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick View Post
    Driveways are NOT roads... Someone leaving a drive gives way to all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    I'm sure I read some case law on this and a drive is classed as a road in some circumstances such as rural drives that can be kms long. I will try and dig it out.
    Yes, but (as I said before) I think the relevant question for the application of the give way rules is not, "Is this driveway/entranceway/whatever a road?" but "Is the place where it joins a road an intersection?". The Road Code says it is for public entrances and (I forget the rest).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badjelly View Post
    It's almost enough to make one reexamine one's assumptions, isn't it?
    Quote Originally Posted by MSTRS View Post
    No.
    Oh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    thank you for your cheerful post, i have refreshed myself on that particular road rule, i just hope other road users can aspire to be the perfect road user like you...cock.
    Whilst you are at it, ask yourself "what the fuck else am I completely ignorant about?" and refresh yourself on all the road rules. Seriously, may just save a life.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tank
    You say "no one wants to fuck with some large bloke on a really angry sounding bike" but the truth of the matter is that you are a balding middle-aged ice-cream seller from Edgecume who wears a hello kitty t-shirt (in your profile pic) and your angry sounding bike is a fucken hyoshit - not some big assed harley with a human skull on the front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badjelly View Post
    Er, did you see the bit where I said "this is a minor issue"?

    I am not trying to paint the laws in the worst possible light. I am trying to have a reasoned, balanced discussion. It's a hard road...
    Yes, however, all your issues are minor, however you blow them out of proportion for effect. Ironically however, driving around half fucken blind is NOT a minor issue.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tank
    You say "no one wants to fuck with some large bloke on a really angry sounding bike" but the truth of the matter is that you are a balding middle-aged ice-cream seller from Edgecume who wears a hello kitty t-shirt (in your profile pic) and your angry sounding bike is a fucken hyoshit - not some big assed harley with a human skull on the front.

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