Who just watched Campbell Live? (15 December)

[Drogen Omen]

Cambell is a fuckin homo

[Finn]

just do your wheelies on the road bro, theres no smelly fishermen or kiddies there to complain.

what i dont get is that they have basically turned the beach into a patrolled road with parking wardens and speed cameras. should you hippes really be letting your fuckin kids play in the middle of the road? whats next a fuckin sandcastle compitition in the middle of spagetti junction?

Exactly. Dipshit is being a dipshit.

[cs363]

That's it.
Personally, I don't see any big deal with people using vehicles (even unregistered/unwarranted ones) on beaches, provided they are responsible and considerate about it. It's been a kiwi tradition almost, that people use old tractors to tow boats down to the sea, or have a quad to tootle down for a fish or whatever, and it didn't become an issue until you got fuckwits rolling their SUVs on beaches, or speeding on their bikes, or running people over. I'm sure the cops would've been happy to be able to leave it was it was, and not have to police this.
I'm also sure the bureaucrats are delighted: another opportunity to make more laws, rules'n'regulations.
And the few wankers that spoil it for everyone else will keep doing so, but the rest of us will lose a bit more freedom.

yep, can't argue with that!

[davebullet]

Close your eyes and Helen Clark and John Campbell sound remarkably similar...

[prettybillie]

Just a quick rant about something that pisses me off.

The people who ride around on beaches near others who are fishing or swimming need to have their heads checked. I get pissed seeing people riding without helmets let alone in such a public area.

P.s if you know that guy on the yzf who was not wearing a helmet, slap him on the back of the head for me.

I didn't watch it - but it's media that's been described here that gives sensible riders a bad name!!!!

[cs363]

Sounded like you were when you said
Maybe thats something else?
BTW if you shot me im sure the collective IQ would go down not up ffs
Oh yea, and those places within an hours drive of Muriwai are...?

I meant shoot the fuckwits, not dirt riders!

Places to ride? Woodhill Bike Park (aka The Sandpit), Ardmore, Thunder Valley, Mercer MX track - OK some might be a bit more than an hour, so drive faster!
These are just a few I can think of off the top of my head (and I live 4 1/2 hours away!) plus there are the organised trail rides of which there are heaps in Auckland/Waikato, Kimmys Farm near Huntly, Power Adventures rides, Riverhead, Maramarua....

[noobi]

I meant shoot the fuckwits, not dirt riders!

Places to ride? Woodhill Bike Park (aka The Sandpit), Ardmore, Thunder Valley, Mercer MX track - OK some might be a bit more than an hour, so drive faster!
These are just a few I can think of off the top of my head (and I live 4 1/2 hours away!) plus there are the organised trail rides of which there are heaps in Auckland/Waikato, Kimmys Farm near Huntly, Power Adventures rides, Riverhead, Maramarua....

ok some poeple should be shot for stupidity fair enough
ATM there are no trail rides organised for this weekend, and none of the places that you listed or I know of are similar to a beach, Yes the Sandpit is sand, but its not fast, doesnt have dunes and has lots of trees to hit
As for the drive faster thing, isnt it 30k?

[cs363]

ATM there are no trail rides organised for this weekend, and none of the places that you listed or I know of are similar to a beach, Yes the Sandpit is sand, but its not fast, doesnt have dunes and has lots of trees to hit
As for the drive faster thing, isnt it 30k?

Yes, the Sandpit is not fast - but then it's an inanimate object....

But you can ride fast there, it all depends on your skill level and seeing as you have expressed concerns about hitting trees perhaps you need to spend more time riding in that type of environment to overcome those worries and raise your skill levels accordingly?
If you just want to hoon it up in the dunes, then what about the bombing range at Kaipara? Locals will know, but I'm assuming you can still ride there? You certainly shouldn't be riding in the dunes on most beaches due to the erosion issues, can't remember what the deal is with that at Muriwai but most beaches have signs up expressly forbidding it for that reason.
No sure what you mean about 30k unless you're talking about the beach, I was talking about driving on the road to get to riding areas.

Anyhoo...heres a link to riding areas: http://www.drd.co.nz/WhereToRide.aspx

Power Adventures are having a ride on 23/12 at Woodhill too.

[noobi]

etc...etc...

Right...?
The thing about sand is that to ride it well, you have to ride it fast, thus the tree issue. I suppose your right about the skill thing but when i did go there i didnt enjoy it at all, ah well
I just find the beach is a good place to ride, and at Kariotahi, my local, when we go there in the winter, no one is crazy enough to be on west coast beaches in winter, there are only the odd fisherman and they normally wave.

[Mystic13]

That's it.
Personally, I don't see any big deal with people using vehicles (even unregistered/unwarranted ones) on beaches, provided they are responsible and considerate about it. It's been a kiwi tradition almost, that people use old tractors to tow boats down to the sea, or have a quad to tootle down for a fish or whatever, and it didn't become an issue until you got fuckwits rolling their SUVs on beaches, or speeding on their bikes, or running people over. I'm sure the cops would've been happy to be able to leave it was it was, and not have to police this.
I'm also sure the bureaucrats are delighted: another opportunity to make more laws, rules'n'regulations.
And the few wankers that spoil it for everyone else will keep doing so, but the rest of us will lose a bit more freedom.

That's what I wanted to say.

Someone on here said leave the beach users in peace. The beach is 40km's long. The beach users are down the South end. I agree leave em in peace.

Hooning on the Southern end or close should be banned. Speed limits are fine. But stopping kids on bikes is a bit tough.

To pull out the "it's a road thing" to ban bikes and unregistered vehicles is unfair.

- So are all the tractors that launch on beaches now going to be ticketed?
- Are the unreg'd quads going fishing up Muriwai going to be ticketed?
- Stop the hooning fine but don't kill everything else and the vast majority of riders and beach buggies etc that will be responsible.

So we get caught with the "It's a legal road" to ping bikes. To take that to the extreme, do we allow sunbathers on the road now? do we allow fisherman to setup camp on the road?

- I bet a blind eye is turned when the quads go fishing.

I agree something has to be done to;
- stop hooning and dangerous driving
- to keep vehicles away from the Southern end. In reality vehicles can access the beach further up.

As a biking community we need to figure out what is important and fight for that. To roll over and die because of the hoon factor or "it's a legal road" is ridiculous.

I notice when the police had a probelm with cars down Queen Street they didn't ban them. They put in a speed limit to enable them to deal with the problem. The problem here is this is a ban on a specific section of the community.

Yes the sandpit is close but it's a track. What if you don't want to ride a track.

For 80 years we could use the beach but now apparently sunbathers and fisherman need quiet enjoyment of 40kms. Oddly the fisherman who go North all use vehicles or quads. So much for quiet enjoyment.

Sunbathers aren't protected. Big 4WD's will still run up the beach. All of the arguments for the ban are just red herrings to jsutify what they're doing.

What they're doing is wrong. Why can't I and my kids quietly ride up the beach. Why are sunbathers down the Southern end in need of protection from me km's away.

Heck even a large section of beach can be allocated to nudists in Kapiti but riders get banned on the whole beach at Muriwai unless they have a road legal bike. Sadly I can still ride there i jsut can't take my kids. But I can drive a car and trailer with their bikes on up the ebach. Walk the bikes off and into the dunes and we're good to go.

If riders accept this then it'll just be another space lost.

We all agree get rid of the hooning etc. Bathers need space.

Oddly enough, thousands of us can legally protest by riding all over the beach and all around the bathers at 30kmph. It seems like a pretty ridiculous outcome.

So do we now call the police everytime we see an unlicenced tractor. How do the surf life saving club launch their inflatable. Do they have a road legal quad? (I don't want them stopped...ever)

This law is selective against bikes and beach buggies. And I expect there will be a blind eye turned toward anything that they feel is okay.

On a ligher note
- will they now park a speed camera van on the beach.
- if it's a road do we have to keep as far left as possible?
- so riders riding in from rimmers road will have to stop at the bottom of the dune and turn the bike around to ride back up because they can't ride onto the beach. Will police draw a line in the sand and ticket ever bike that crosses it?


In this case the law is an ass and there must be a way that we all can co-exist on the beach safely and respecting others. I personally think they should ban vehicle access onto the beach at the Southern most end and make them all use the dirt road by the golf course and ban all vehicles on the Southern end full stop.

Why should road legal 4WD's, road legal cars, road legal bikes, road legal quads and road legal beach buggies be allowed to ride on the wide open beach but quads and bikes that are not registered be banned because they are not made for road use? Let's get real this is really an off road environement. Why can't my 9 year old ride with me but be forced to ride through the dunes? That is so wrong on many levels.

[laserracer]

That's it.
Personally, I don't see any big deal with people using vehicles (even unregistered/unwarranted ones) on beaches, provided they are responsible and considerate about it. It's been a kiwi tradition almost, that people use old tractors to tow boats down to the sea, or have a quad to tootle down for a fish or whatever, and it didn't become an issue until you got fuckwits rolling their SUVs on beaches, or speeding on their bikes, or running people over. I'm sure the cops would've been happy to be able to leave it was it was, and not have to police this.
I'm also sure the bureaucrats are delighted: another opportunity to make more laws, rules'n'regulations.
And the few wankers that spoil it for everyone else will keep doing so, but the rest of us will lose a bit more freedom.

Just a carry on from viffermans post.. are the police now going to check all tractors at beachs that launch boats for w,o,f and rego's what about surf casters that get to there favourite spot with a quad, i think if they are going to enforce this, do it fairly or dont do it at all,i would think our police have better things to do than patrol beaches..whats next.. fined for removing sand thats stuck between your toes.where will it stop
ps if beaches are classed as roads how come you are able to walk down the middle of it, if you were to go for a walk down the middle of your local street im sure in no time flat someone would call the police, and report that some mad wanker is walking down the middle of the road

[davereid]

To pull out the "it's a road thing" to ban bikes and unregistered vehicles is unfair.

- So are all the tractors that launch on beaches now going to be ticketed?
- Are the unreg'd quads going fishing up Muriwai going to be ticketed?
- Stop the hooning fine but don't kill everything else and the vast majority of riders and beach buggies etc that will be responsible.

So we get caught with the "It's a legal road" to ping bikes.

Yep. Here in Kapiti-Horowhenua the council has warranted a lot of busy-bodies to patrol the beach and issue tickets.

So if you have an unregistered quad you will get a ticket.

But it gets better.

Kapiti Coast DC have proposed a bylaw banning 2-wheel motorcycles from the beach full stop. Even those with rego and WOF, and even though its a legal road.

[laserracer]

Why not make it a ..MAF.. thing.. if you are caught hooning on the beach endangering the public ...fine.. confiscate there bikes.. and sell them.. but leave. the resposable riders alone ..if they aren't causing trouble.
And if you are on a lonely stretch of beach with no one around whats wrong with a bit of a hoon... SHIT I HATE THIS PC WORLD

[dipshit]

Why can't I and my kids quietly ride up the beach.

No one minds that.

But if the wankers out there can't grow up... then it will ruin things for everybody.

[Mystic13]

No one minds that.

But if the wankers out there can't grow up... then it will ruin things for everybody.

Well it looks like we're all in agreement about what is and isn't appropriate on the beach.

Sadly, someone does mind. The rules now prohibit it and the police will be asked to enforce.