Who just watched Campbell Live? (15 December)

[laserracer]

hmmm maybe mass protest rides .. on beaches protecting riders rights

[noobi]

No one minds that.

But if the wankers out there can't grow up... then it will ruin things for everybody.

Where can you sensibly draw the line at what is being a wanker and what is being not a wanker
I bet that people would consider my riding of a 2 stroke to be inappropriate because of the nature of the bike, its makes noise, even if i was just riding in a straight line, without the whellies and stoppies
Maybe we should get some 7 year olds on their little bikes to do the "inappropriate" type of riding that these pc freaks consider us to be doing?

[cs363]

*Edited* See Post #55

All quite reasonable points and nothing I can disagree with, unfortunately though the horse has bolted.
Because of a thoughtless few, those in power will now use whatever available laws/by laws etc to control the perceived problem. No point complaining about the actions of the police/councils as they are reacting to a problem caused by others and as the saying goes 'just doing their job'.

It's like the boy racer issue - when we were young we did skids, had drag races and all that other carry on. Difference was we did it in remote areas, cleaned up our mess (bottles etc) and had some respect for the police.
Usually the worst thing that would happen if you did get caught was have your booze confiscated and sent home, or made to leave the car overnight.

Now we have young idiots dropping diesel all over the roads, breaking glass everywhere and racing on main streets and motorways. End result - everybody pays for the slightest infraction whether you're a boy racer or not.
Same idiots doing dodgy modifications and not getting WOFs or rego and now everyone has to jump through hoops and get basic mods such as suspension/wider wheels and so on certified.

Sure, theres nothing wrong with riding on the beach - but anyone with some common sense would have headed up to a quieter part of the beach where people weren't fishing, playing etc. It's common sense and respect for others - two things that seem to be rapidly dissapearing from our world.

[dipshit]

Where can you sensibly draw the line at what is being a wanker and what is being not a wanker

Here's another example of a few wankers ruining things for everyone else.

For several years Doc had been pleading with recreational 4WD and dirt bike users to stay on the tracks in the Macetown reserve near Arrowtown.

I have seen four-wheel drivers for myself in public reserves going off tracks to find a bit of fresh ground/mud and have their wheels spinning at full noise just to see how much mud they can throw into the air and how big a rut they can make. Wankers.

Yet Doc pleadings and warnings have largely fallen on deaf ears and a few wankers continued on having their "fun" as if the world revolves around them and the rules didn't apply to them.

Now the track is closed to all recreational vehicle users. Hardly surprising considering the damage they do.

Yet this hasn't even stopped some still going into the area...

http://www.odt.co.nz/the-regions/ota...-riders-warned

[dipshit]

but anyone with some common sense would have headed up to a quieter part of the beach where people weren't fishing, playing etc.

Not the wankers though. They need an audience to admire how cool they are that they can ride a motorbike and make lots of noise and pull wheelies.

Without an audience on a quiet part of the beach - it would be kind of pointless for them and their egos.

[noobi]

Not the wankers though. They need an audience to admire how cool they are that they can ride a motorbike and make lots of noise and pull wheelies.

Without an audience on a quiet part of the beach - it would be kind of pointless for them and their egos.

Without the people telling them to fuck off for being annoying and disruptive, it then wouldn't cater to their egos
Attention seeking 101

[dipshit]

Without the people telling them to fuck off for being annoying and disruptive, it then wouldn't cater to their egos
Attention seeking 101

That's why I think a big piece of driftwood thrown at them would be more effective.

[MarkH]

Why not make it a ..MAF.. thing.. if you are caught hooning on the beach endangering the public ...fine.. confiscate there bikes.. and sell them.. but leave. the resposable riders alone ..if they aren't causing trouble.
And if you are on a lonely stretch of beach with no one around whats wrong with a bit of a hoon... SHIT I HATE THIS PC WORLD

I agree 100% - if the fuckwits played on a bit of beach further away - no problem. It's the riding around where the bathers are that is going to bring heat on bikers and cause new laws to come in.

I really don't know why they don't ban all vehicles from certain stretches of beach frequented by bathers + 30km limit where people fish & launch boats + ignore (mostly) what bikers/4WDers/Offroaders do on the beaches not generally used by swimmers/sunbathers/fishers/etc. Then these noisy fuckwits causing problems can be told to fuck off up the beach a km or 2 to enjoy themselves away from the bathers. I suppose the problem with common sense is that it is pretty damn rare!

[MarkH]

Close your eyes and Helen Clark and John Campbell sound remarkably similar...

Except Helen Clark's voice is a little deeper and more manly.

[Starky307]

When I startred this thread the point i was trying to raise is that the fools they reported on were just that, fools.

The reason people using tractors and farm quads aren't picked on is because they aren't making everyone around them panic and run for their lives.

The guy on the KTM was riding around in circles doing donuts near other beach users, the guy on the YZF with no protective clothing let alone a helmet is just a massive bilboard of trouble.

It was no different for the person driving the off-roader trying to put it into a drift by twisting the steering wheel back and forward while screaming along the beach.

If i was there i would of packed up and left as i don't want to put myself in harms way with idiots like that around.

And here in lies the big issue, people shouldn't feel unsafe when taking a family to the beach to enjoys what it can offer.

The problem comes in trying to get these reckless beach goers to be responsible for their actions, a blanket rule is used ( beaches being a road, vehicles must be registered etc ) to catch them out. The problem with this is that others who act in a sensible way can then also be punished.

This country lacks BALLS when it comes to sorting out issues like this. Punish the people that are endagnering others and leave the rest alone.

The two bike riders that were interviewed and spoke were more than likely (from the impression i got) the type of people that would ride quietly up the beach out of peoles way and then go have some fun. This is all that is required to make everyone use the beach and enjoy what it can offer.

[chaos rider]

Didn't watch that dick.
I seriously hate him so much.

But I agree with what he presumably read off his teleprompter.
Some people seem to think dirtbikes + public beach = Audience.
The only beach I can really think of as suitable for using a motox bike on is Muriwai or 90 mile beach. There may be more, but you get the gist!

90 mile is a ntional hwy and it is illegal to ride on a national road without a helmet or speed *cough*

[MarkH]

The two bike riders that were interviewed and spoke were more than likely (from the impression i got) the type of people that would ride quietly up the beach out of peoles way and then go have some fun. This is all that is required to make everyone use the beach and enjoy what it can offer.

If this is correct then to them - if everyone acted sensibly then we wouldn't need the police to step in and enforce the law.