Serious question. Has anyone ever died from a bucket crash?

[piston broke]

seems you gotta make them,
see my pic,drum brakes,wtf.

[Ixion]

I have always considered brakes of any sort an over emphasised indulgence.

[piston broke]

I have always considered brakes of any sort an over emphasised indulgence.

yep,true, thats what gears are for.
so will i be racing with you soon?

[Ixion]

Well, soon is a variable phrase. But i have my eye on Tardme for materials. And I've read the rule book. Highly biased against two strokes I must say.

However I am also starting up the Society for the Abolition of that Vile Abomination the Carburettor. The rule about maximum carburettor sizes on two smokers effectively prohibits twin cylinders (and thus goody machines like the GT125) . But it doesn't mention fuel injection!

yep,true, thats what gears are for.

On a two stroke?

[piston broke]

On a two stroke?[/QUOTE]

dunno,the only 2 stroke i've owned is a 2 horse yami outboard
that slows the dingy when i let the throttle go

[Paul in NZ]

I've seen a few people die of embarassment on buckets - does that help?

[speedpro]

And I've read the rule book. Highly biased against two strokes I must say.

Buckets imitate life. Yes I know 4-strokes came 1st & 2nd at the recent GP but a well built 2-stroke that keeps running will still run rings round a 4-stroke. It just wasn't to be this weekend.

[speedpro]

However I am also starting up the Society for the Abolition of that Vile Abomination the Carburettor. The rule about maximum carburettor sizes on two smokers effectively prohibits twin cylinders (and thus goody machines like the GT125) . But it doesn't mention fuel injection!



On a two stroke?

You aren't thinking with the devious mind of a bucket racer are you? The beauty of a GT125 is that only one little 62.5cc cylinder is on intake at a time. Therefore the 24mm maximum rule actually allows a pretty good size carb, for a 62.5cc cylinder. It's been done as well and went OK considering the little development that had been done. The builder used copper plumbing fittings with the carb feeding a T piece and a 90deg bend to each cylinder.
The other way to take advantage of the small cylinders is to water cool it, modify the hell out of it with say dual moto-x ignitions, fit any size carbs you like, reed valves, pipes, etc etc, and rev the hell out of it. That's been done as well.
The real issue for the GT is the gearbox ratios. Depending on how serious you want to get you will find that nearly every bucket legal engine has some sort of limitation - clutch, gears, cylinder, 4-stroke. The list of impediments to serious performance goes on and on.

[Ixion]

I did think about a manifold. The problem is that a manifold on a twin twostroke meake sthe inlet tract very long, which hinders revvability. Reed valves would help, but aircooled 125cc two stroke stwins with reed valves are not all that common. One must consider the raw material available.

So , maybe, back to a 125cc single. has anyone ever raced a BSA Bantam in buckets? They'd qualify. Also although motox bikes are prohibited , what about true dual purpose? Like the old Dt125? They could be made to go like stink with a bit of work

[gav]

Or a DT100, no carb restriction then, the 125 would still need to run a 24mm carb.

[FROSTY:Me]

Ixion. To answer your question YES you could conceivably be killed racing buckets.
In the same way as you could be killed crossing the road or stepping out of a shower onbto a slippery floor. There is no way to say No it couldn't happen.
But your chances are fairly slim.
I have seen a nasty broken collar bone. I've cracked my neck from getting a bitch slap by another bike at the fastest point on Mt wellington.
Ive seen a few concussions and had busted ribs from a bike sliding down the track into me.
I've not heard of any serious injuries
And a couple of suggestions for ya 1-shineray 150 and the TF125 --both would make an interesting base bke to start with

[speedpro]

I did think about a manifold. The problem is that a manifold on a twin twostroke meake sthe inlet tract very long, which hinders revvability. Reed valves would help, but aircooled 125cc two stroke stwins with reed valves are not all that common. One must consider the raw material available.

So , maybe, back to a 125cc single. has anyone ever raced a BSA Bantam in buckets? They'd qualify. Also although motox bikes are prohibited , what about true dual purpose? Like the old Dt125? They could be made to go like stink with a bit of work

Again, you aren't thinking like a bucket racer/builder. You add reed valves to the motor. Bit of time with a hacksaw, files, maybe a bit of welding/brazing, more filing and welding and "hey presto", one reed valve bike. I've built a full crankcase reed TS125 with a sleeved down watercooled RGV250 cylinder. It just depends how much time you have to spend on it. If you do go this route you better be prepared to be bitterly disappointed with the end result. As for intake length and revvability, there is often a differance between theory and practical and a very nice compromise can often be reached. Some sort of resonant chamber joining the two intake sides or such might negate undesirable effects to be workable.

There's plenty of DT125s running. The DT100 was a popular bike a while ago. I'm not sure but I think there was a bit of an issue with the gearbox ratios. The BSA will have serious gearbox ratio issues as I think they were 3-speed weren't they?? Best to stay from old-tech for lots of reasons.

[Buckets4Me]

you forgot the mighty GP125 the fist 2 stroke to hold together and finish 3rd in the gp ridden by an old guy with limited talent didn't get his knea down or nothing

and I didn't see any 4 strokes on the podem of the f5 thow one finished 4th or 5th

[saxet]

you forgot the mighty GP125 the fist 2 stroke to hold together and finish 3rd in the gp ridden by an old guy with limited talent didn't get his knea down or nothing

4th in the GP was also a Gp125 that held together, ridden by someone slightly younger but fitting the same description. It also was 3rd in F4 class for the weekend, I suspect by a small margin from 4th.

[TZ350]

you forgot the mighty GP125 the fist 2 stroke to hold together and finish 3rd in the gp ridden by an old guy with limited talent didn't get his knea down or nothing

4th in the GP was also a Gp125 that held together, ridden by someone slightly younger but fitting the same description. It also was 3rd in F4 class for the weekend, I suspect by a small margin from 4th.

That makes it two top placing GP125's, a GP125 from Auck., 3rd and from Welly., 4th in the GP and the same bikes but 3rd Welly., and 4th Auck., in F4.

There was a very tidy looking unit from Wellington. It had quite a deep exhaust note, I would love to know what mods had been done.

There were four other GP125's that I know off, all of them heading off their share of FXR's.