Two bikes down near Akaroa 27/12 (fatality)

[Jantar]

Wtf?? Because 3 people died...

I think the point is, DON'T do stupid passing moves, and you won't risk killing yourself/other people. Doesn't get much simpler than that..

Aren't you contradicting yourself? So a sermon is needed because 3 people died as a result of a stupid passing move, yet no sermon is needed when the same move doesn't result in deaths. From this one could assume that you're saying its OK to make dangerous moves as long as no-one is killed.

Then in your very next paragraph you say "Don't do stupid passing moves, and you won't risk killing yourself/other people"

So agian I ask why a sermon in this thread, and not in any other where dangerous manouvers are involved?

[blairh]

So agian I ask why a sermon in this thread, and not in any other where dangerous manouvers are involved?

I think the difference is that we know about this one... we don't find out when most people do dumb shit. If we did, there'd be a crapload of threads on here

[T.W.R]

Well I was past the accident scene this morning for a last ride of the year around the old stamping ground & decided to take a couple of pics

To cap the soap-box chanting and scape-goat witch hunt finger pointing to other site members and shed clarity on the actual piece of road here's the pics

1) The spot where the the passing would have started; the impact spot is where the 3 poplars are evenly spaced in the distance. The road follows the poplars to the end of the row (which is on the L/H side of the road) then there's a 65km/h right hander.
There's also 3 vehicles heading towards the corner behind those poplars (see how many can be seen)

2) What the line of sight would have been prior to attempting the pass

At the time of day when the crash happened the sun would have been right in your face as you came around the corner where the pics are taken from. And there aren't any yellow lines for kms in either direction but the speed camera van has taken up residence a couple of kms closer to Tai Tapu

[MVnut]

And it's an absolute disgrace that the blood still hasn't been cleaned up. RIP to the fallen, condolences to family and friends.

[Gremlin]

Thanks TWR, that helps...

It would seem to me (and only a presumption) that the oncoming vehicles could have blended into the trees... the hedge doesn't seem high enough, but it, and the immediate backdrop of dark, and bikers penchant for dark clothing, it would seem a likely scenario? And if indeed, the overtaking biker had sunstrike, or possible sunstrike, it makes the shade of the trees even easier to hide in.

Either way, it would appear line of sight was not the best (but could have been worse)... better safe than sorry?

[T.W.R]

Thanks TWR, that helps...

It would seem to me (and only a presumption) that the oncoming vehicles could have blended into the trees... the hedge doesn't seem high enough, but it, and the immediate backdrop of dark, and bikers penchant for dark clothing, it would seem a likely scenario? And if indeed, the overtaking biker had sunstrike, or possible sunstrike, it makes the shade of the trees even easier to hide in.

Either way, it would appear line of sight was not the best (but could have been worse)... better safe than sorry?

Vehicles blend in with those trees pretty well.

[AllanB]

And it's an absolute disgrace that the blood still hasn't been cleaned up. RIP to the fallen, condolences to family and friends.

Very ture, I was surprised at the amount left over the road. I wonder if it is intentional as a warning.

It's a blind corner chaps - a dam nice one (well it was), cars do it at about 70 max, bikes.........

[Stan]

I think the difference is that we know about this one... we don't find out when most people do dumb shit. If we did, there'd be a crapload of threads on here

I agree. If we all posted threads when we saw some idiot doing something stupid and dangerous, the site would be flooded and no-one would take any notice.

A tragic event like this does focus people's attention and if we can't learn something from it, we're dumb fuckers. The lesson here is pretty simple; make sure the road REALLY is clear when you're overtaking.

[scumdog]

And it's an absolute disgrace that the blood still hasn't been cleaned up. RIP to the fallen, condolences to family and friends.

I hope all riders risking things when overtaking take note and make prior arrangement re this.....

[scumdog]

Vehicles blend in with those trees pretty well.

And how quick would a Truimph be when passing multi vehicles while two-up??

Passing on an laft-hand 'outside bend' has the additional danger that anything come towards you is likely to be hugging the centre-line - as the crash instigator sadly found out.

[MVnut]

On most of the bends around there you can only see the roofs of cars coming the other way because of very long grass, seeing a bike on the outside would not be easy. ....and as for the bloodstains still being there, some crap about cultural sensitivity (what a load of horseshit), and yes a formal complaint regarding the poor cleanup has been made to the 'authorities'.

[Stan]

On most of the bends around there you can only see the roofs of cars coming the other way because of very long grass, seeing a bike on the outside would not be easy. ....and as for the bloodstains still being there, some crap about cultural sensitivity (what a load of horseshit), and yes a formal complaint regarding the poor cleanup has been made to the 'authorities'.

Oh yeah, lets all have a grizzle about the poor bastards that had to clean this up. Like their job isn't shitty enough already.

[MVnut]

Oh yeah, lets all have a grizzle about the poor bastards that had to clean this up. Like their job isn't shitty enough already.

It's their job, simple as that, it should be done properly. Do you know the feeble excuse/reason that blood was left there on purpose ??? (but I won't comment more on this as the thread should not be hijacked in that way, I just thought I made a valid observation. Sorry if you disagree)

[heyjoe]

A tragic event. My sincere Condolences to riders and their families.

[ynot slow]

A tragic event. My sincere Condolences to riders and their families.

To true mate.

If the thought process from this tragedy sinks in it might save someone else.

The thing with riding or driving is we all think we are the best in the world,sure we all have the odd close call or serious whoops,most survive it.

As we all know left hand bend can mean close to the centre line,which means any traffic approaching could be doing similar,so instead of 1-2mtrs gap we end up with none,then crash.Depending on speed and vehicle(car or bike)makes the net result minor or fatal.

How often do you see a person who in your own thinking is a much better rider than yourself,either by handling the bike around corners and general riding ability maybe due to time on the bike,but if you can keep up with them they do take the odd risk,i.e just over centre line cornering(not taking 75km bend at 100km but say 120km)then thinking shit lucky noone approaching.